Home > macOS > Apple Seeds Panther build 7B59, 10.2.8 to Testers Apple Seeds Panther build 7B59, 10.2.8 to Testers Eugenia Loli 2003-09-06 macOS 22 Comments Apple seeded build 7B59 of Mac OS X 10.3, Panther, as well as build 6R57 of OS X 10.2.8. The updates were posted to the Apple Developer Connection web site Friday, ThinkSecret reports. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 22 Comments 2003-09-06 7:13 pm Anonymous I just installed 10.3 (7B53) on my G4 533 1GB RAM on the night this was released, and for some reason the CPU stays pegged at 100%. Seeing quite a bit of latency, and QuickTime stutters. Not sure what is doing it as it is in the Kernel. Anyone have thoughts? I can’t say I’m entirely happy with the changes Apple has made to the design either. Aqua is getting more like metal , but that doesn’t really matter as everything in the Dock by default is Metal, except Mail and System Preferences. 2003-09-06 7:32 pm Anonymous My problem with Panther, as I said in the past (http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=4128#127144), is the user name print in the menu bar. I filed a bug report explaining to Apple why this is a bad idea to implement it the way it is now instead of the way I describe in the URL above, and they replied “it is working as it was intended to”. Well, hello, duh? How do you make these guys understand that someone can file a “bug report” that is a feature request, or a *UI* bug report explaining that the bug is in the very feature itself and not in the implementation? 2003-09-06 8:01 pm Anonymous was 10.2.7 released or finalised? 2003-09-06 8:35 pm Anonymous My real name is long too, but I have not used my full name for my user name. Why did you, Eugenia? Beside that, I agree with you, an user – icon should be enough to cover the needed function. Maybe Apple wants everyone to buy a 23″ Cinema-Display? 😉 2003-09-06 8:37 pm Anonymous It looks like 10.2.7 is exclusively for the G5. 10.2.8 will be for the G4 Macs what 10.2.7 is for the G5. Thats how I understand it. 2003-09-06 8:44 pm Anonymous > My real name is long too, but I have not used my full name for my user name. Why did you, Eugenia? You misunderstood the situation. I have a username (which is just “eugenia”) but Mac OS X has asked me during installation for my real name, and I gave it. Now, MacOSX, instead of use my *username*, is using my FULL name on many things, including printing it in the menu bar user-switching place. It does not give me the option to use my username instead of my full name! And yes, I HAVE to have my real name on file on Mac OS X, because the Addressbook and Mail is depending on it to do some stuff the proper way! As you can see, the problem is more complex than “don’t give your real name to OSX”. 2003-09-06 9:57 pm Anonymous Yeah, that really does sound like a problem. It should be fixed. Try filling out another bug report. Different people read them, so maybe you can get a more sensitive developer. 2003-09-06 11:44 pm Anonymous ” I HAVE to have my real name on file on Mac OS X, because the Addressbook and Mail is depending on it to do some stuff the proper way!” This is true only if you don’t want to type your name again while creating accounts in the Mail or filling your info in Address Book. I change that quite a few times and apps work as expected although I cut my Full name to match my username. I also agree that having full names is wrong, they should at least give an option to change that to whatever you want (e.g. admin, mom, dad, sister etc). 2003-09-06 11:52 pm Anonymous Do you people even freaking read! She gave you this link: http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=4128#127144 for a reason, so that you will understand the problema dn see the rest of the comments without repeating the saeme stupid suggestions. THis si an obvious problem in every way you look at it and it should be fixed, I am shocked that Apple which is held in high regard for their UI would make sucha big UI bllooper. In addiition, what is the point of havinga username if it uses your real name instead. IMO, the real name should not appear all voer the interface except where it is needed like in the adress book, otherwise the user name should be used and I agree a small iconw ould be better. 2003-09-07 2:43 am Anonymous Hmmm, agreed. Just one question though, did you type that last message with your nose? Just a thought… Q 2003-09-07 3:49 am Anonymous RE: nnooiissee (IP: —.cruzio.com) – Posted on 2003-09-06 19:13:43 I just installed 10.3 (7B53) on my G4 533 1GB RAM on the night this was released, and for some reason the CPU stays pegged at 100%. Seeing quite a bit of latency, and QuickTime stutters. Not sure what is doing it as it is in the Kernel. Anyone have thoughts? Well, you’re the *ONLY* person who happen to have come off that problem. When you installed it, did you do a completely clean installation or one of those bast*rdised “upgrades”? I can’t say I’m entirely happy with the changes Apple has made to the design either. Aqua is getting more like metal , but that doesn’t really matter as everything in the Dock by default is Metal, except Mail and System Preferences. Same, I don’t mind the changes to the finder itself but they should stick to a consistant look ‘n feel right through the OS. 2003-09-07 5:10 am Anonymous I just changed my full name in the accounts preference pane to my login name. So now both are short. The Addressbook is still using my full name. What keeps you from doing the same? 2003-09-07 5:17 am Anonymous I don’t want to do that. I want to have things PROPER. And the proper thing to do there, is to have my full name when I am asked for my full name. What you are saying is that the user has to find backdoors/hacks/alternatives to go around the stupidity of the OS. Sorry, but this is not right, Apple SHOULD FIX this usability issue that they are introducing with OSX 10.3 before they ship, end of story. I was asked for my full name and I gave it. Now, why do I have to go back and change it to unproper for full name “eugenia”, just because the OS does not do something right? It is a behavior that needs fixing, don’t deny this, please. 2003-09-07 5:27 am Anonymous I think the the Aqua look is much cleaner and better in Panther. As is the Metal look which is more subdued now. 2003-09-07 6:28 am Anonymous Yes you are. Read the original link Eugenia provided, and about half the comments in this article which explain it. 2003-09-07 6:59 am Anonymous Well, if the worse aspect of Panther is that the name in the menu bar can get too long, I won’t be too upset. Seriously, though, it does sound like a pretty stupid UI limitation. Make it an option to use a short username or icon — shouldn’t be too hard to program, right? I do agree with stingerman about Aqua — I’ve actually been using a Panther theme in Jaguar for a while now, and I like the new subdued Aqua. I liked the old Aqua too, but the new Aqua looks a bit more professional and less “bright”. All the reports I’m hearing all over the Mac Web is that Panther’s performance is way better than Jaguar, which should finally give the OS 9/BeOS fans the speed they’re looking for. Of course, I won’t complain either. 2003-09-07 7:34 am Anonymous I do agree with stingerman about Aqua — I’ve actually been using a Panther theme in Jaguar for a while now, and I like the new subdued Aqua. I liked the old Aqua too, but the new Aqua looks a bit more professional and less “bright”. Hey Jared, where can I find that Panther theme? 2003-09-07 11:15 am Anonymous They should just fix the problem by automatically using the username or just an icon if the name is too long. The full name can be shown in a tooltip. An option for this is a typical “unbreak me”-option which is just silly. I’m pretty sure this can be programmed to work fine without an option. 2003-09-07 3:24 pm Anonymous Seriously eugeina that’s not a huge problem. If that is the only thing you can find wrong with panther than I would be happy. They probably put people’s real names instead of user names because they want it easier to use for people. Remember this is apple, not gentoo. I am eagerly awaiting the release of panther though. It just looks so amazing. XCode definately looks cool. I’m hoping to get a G5 soon, and I will finally have a computer that I can just accomplish work on and not have to mess around with to get working. Please though, lets move on from this “bug.” Obviously that’s how apple wants it so I’m sure that’s how they’re going to release it. 2003-09-08 2:50 am Anonymous What exactly was the text of the bug report. Maybe someone here could rewrite it for you so they actually take notice of it. 2003-09-09 1:52 am Anonymous Somebody call a Whaaaambulance! 2003-09-13 8:06 pm Anonymous Booted to 7b59 from a firewire disk (erased it first), went to run any software that writes preferences (AppleScript Studio applications write to “user defaults”, which will then create a preference in the preferences folder for that application) and it STILL won’t work. This worked perfectly in 7b44 and below, but no more. Hasn’t worked since 7b44 in ANY of the betas. Any thoughts?