Today, SuSE announced SuSE Linux 8.0, the company’s latest Linux operating system and applications package highlighting increased security, KDE 3 desktop, seamless installation and expanded multimedia capabilities for professional and private desktop users. SuSE also announces 64-Bit-Version of the SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 7 for IBM eServer zSeries.
SuSE Announces SuSE Linux 8.0
2002-03-13 SuSE, openSUSE 19 Comments
they keep releasing major revisions with Beta software…my god…KDE 3 is not even out yet but they are advortising it..WTF….just build a stable system, don’t go around saying “well, windows crashes, so it is ok if a few appa like the desktop crash.
The link to the lwn page… well the link to details about SuSE 8 is to a page about SuSE 7.3.. UsSE front page has nothing about it either.. This page however:
seems more relevant.. unfortunately I can’t speak German 😐
>>they keep releasing major revisions with Beta software…my god…KDE 3 is not even out yet but they are advortising
it..WTF….just build a stable system, don’t go around saying “well, windows crashes, so it is ok if a few appa like the
You took the words right out of my mouth! SuSE is the worst offender by far. Their distros suck ass, they’ve more BETA software on ’em than >1.x. It’s a freaking travesty.
Caldera is like the ANTI SuSE; SuSE has a new distro every two to six hours, whilst Caldera pumps one out about 1-2years. I think when Caldera reaches 8.0, SuSE will be around 19. Of course thats why OpenLinux is twice the speed of SuSE or Mandrake, and 10x more stable. Too bad most Stallman lackeys don’t like Caldera though – – seeing as how they actually TEST their distos thouroghly before release; if more Linux distributors followed that practice Linux would have a better name. Now if they only had the balls to replace X Windows we could have REAL “Windows Killer”.
I keep hearing people comment along the lines:
>> Now if they only had the balls to replace X Windows we
>> could have REAL “Windows Killer”.
What options do we have? Is there another framework that I can use, run a simple window manager under, and get the results out of my graphics card? Am I missing something?
In recent times, a lot of people have developed considerable hatred for X; most of the arguments against it center around its aging architecture (e.g. it wasn’t designed with such “recent” features as 32-bit color in mind), its overhead in terms of memory and processor usage, and questionable, at times overcomplex, design (the corporate hands’ presence is obvious). While the validity of these claims lies in the hands of incessant flame wars, they have certainly made the issue of switching from X to an alternate GUI system. The most interesting as of now is most like the Linux framebuffer — there is an ongoing port of GTK+ to it, for example (check out the Screenshots section on http://www.gtk.org/). Unfortunately, it will be a while before hardware support for the framebuffer is sufficiently polished as well as pervasive, so there will some time before such solutions serve as viable alternatives to X.
There is also Berlin (www.berline-consortium.org). Unfortunately this project is slow-going.
The interesting thing about X is that a lot of development effort is being put into it now, so it will probably be around for a long time. X is not all bad, and it will keep improving. There is no way any other project is going to have the growth to take over X any time soon, so we might as well live with it.
I have a Caldera installation on my desktop machine, and it’s my favorite distro. I can’t understand why people like Mandrake, Suse, and the many other bloated distros. Unfortunately, I don’t think the company is doing very well, and I expect them to go under soon unless something drastic happens.
Moving beyond Linux, I think (Free)BSD is better in most ways. Too bad it didn’t catch on like Linux, because we would be further ahead now, in my opinion, if it did.
“Caldera is like the ANTI SuSE…”
I couldn’t agree more. While Debian is my personal favorite for my own desktop, Caldera is what I use at work for my servlet based web application server. The reason is that it is a solid distribution. It is well tested, extremely stable and as clean as one could hope. Their ability to plug into an existing corporate network is unsurpassed and their out of the box support for international languages is absolutely the best the Linux world has to offer.
Caldera, as I recall, was also the first distribution with a nice, user friendly installer, which only matters once since it always works and you’ll never have to install it again.
For the life of me I can’t understand why RedHat, Mandrake and SuSE are more popular distributions and Caldera always seems to get a bad rap. The others pale in comparison to the quality and stability that Caldera offers.
If Caldera is 1-2 years behind, surely that is also a bad thing. I mean, most of the applications that make linux viable as a desktop platform for the non-techie have only just emerged in the last year or so. (Mozilla has only recently matured, things like Galeon, Gabber, stuff like that.) If Caldera is so far behind are they even on KDE 2.2.2 yet? Whilst the new SuSE – esp it’s update that will come with the full release of KDE 3 – and the upcoming Mandrake distros age old problems like the lack of a generic cut and paste (solved with updates to QT and GTK, I hear) will no longer be around, whilst these niggles will still be evident in Caldera.
Who dares wins, sometimes.
Please goto http://www.caldera.com and see what exactly Caldera is offering.
Caldera was the 1st (AFAIK) distro that offer GUI installer when other distro are still in text. It even launch a tetris game for the user to play while the system is busy installing the applications. That was about 2 years ago.
New update of application does not require a new releases of the distro.
I just want to say that I tried SuSE Linux 7.3 not too long ago and it’s been the most _usable_ distro of linux I’ve ever tried. I’ve never tried Caldera but I have tried Redhat, Mandrake, Debian, Lycoris, and one or two others I can’t remember at this time. SuSE wasn’t the simplest to set up ( It didn’t detect my card perfectly so I had to add dri support myself ); but what honestly impressed me was that everything worked once I fixed that. Not to mention the manuals that came with SuSE actually made fixing it relatively simple. I’m not a big linux geek, I learned pretty much all of what I know about bash on BeOS; my point being SuSE’s been good to me. I haven’t exprianced any of the stability and bleeding edge problems a few others have mentioned ( while on Mandrake that’s a different story ).
All the distributions being bounced around above (with the possible exception of Caldera, as FreeBSD’s not really Linux) can’t hold a candle to the efficiency, and friendliness of Sorcerer Linux!
Unfortunately, unless some of you Suse and Mandrake fans are going to pony up any time soon, Sorcerer Linux is going to disappear due to it’s primary creator needing $$ he’s not seeing from Sorcerer.
And while I think that just shows a lack of planning on his/their part (Come on… You can’t release your software and then start whining about no money 2 months afterwards… You have to give people time to find your software and spread the word and so on), there’s no denying that it’s an awsome Linux package.
No bloat, fully optimized for your hardware, and Sorcerer just seems to make a lot more sense than many of the more mainstream Linux packages.
As for the thread this is supposed to be about… I believe, based on KDE’s progress, that version 3 will be available by the time Suse 8 ships (beta 2 was released over a month ago). Have any of you heard of marketing?
You don’t come out with an ad saying “Guess what we did a couple of months ago!”. Instead you come out with a teaser that reads “Look what we have on the way for you!”, which is what it appears SUSE did.
So… Chill out already. I for one think that SUSE is a nice distribution (although as many of the mainstream distributions are, it’s way bloated!), and their focus is not on making the most stable and well-tested server OS, but rather to put Linux into the consumer markets, and in this market you want to have the latest and greatest GUI toys. I for one would think that they’ll sell way more SUSE8 units with KDE3 on than they would with KDE 2.2.x, which is on all current distributions.
I purchased SUSE 7.3 Professional, and it autoconfigured my network, DVD player, CD Burner, 250MB Internal Zip Drive. As far as ease of use, SUSE 7.3 is damn good. I find it alot more stable than any other OS. (Not including *BSD*) Their Yast setup is a brease. I have found that setting up a printer in SUSE even over Samba was as easy or easier that Windows.
My only question is will I have to but the whole boxed edition or are they going to have a “Patch” or “Update” CD?
sucks when setting up video…..WTF is up with that SAX2 crap. it crashes half the time and the other half, it does not work.
At last, some posts that are reasonably accurate.
I did a study of Linux distros for a global manufacturing company, Caldera came out on top for the companies requirements and was the ONLY major dist to see HP network printers. It’ll be intersting to see their next release.
It was the first distro I really tried (I tried a few beforehand but not knowing linux at all they scared me away after a few hours). I loved the fact it properly detected and set up most of my hardware (I have a few items that took effort to get working in win2k, let alone linux and be). And the disc I had let you play pacman as it installed (although tetris would’ve been fun too). I quit using it because its boot loader was junk and to get it to boot using the free bootmanager (I’m cheap damnit) I had at the time I had to boot off a floppy which for some reason took forever. I’d like to try their newest release (I think I tried 2.9 or something) because as happy as I am with mandrake it has some problems (for the life of me I can’t get 3d acceleration or my sound card to work). Of course if I could get my dsl to work right in be I’d prolly use linux even less.
KDE 3 will be released by the time version 8.0 is out. Please do a little searching before you jump to conclusions.
After 4 years of trying and succeeding to free myself completely from windows I have settled on suse and openbsd. Openbsd is the quiet, unobtrusive, pit bull that sits in the corner for darn near forever with a minimum of maintenance that I use on my laptop and my servers. Suse is on my other desktops just because it has a few more features that make it easier to use. Can suse handle every video card on the market? probably not. Which distro can?
Suse works though plain and simple. Have I kept up with every release of every other distibution? Who has the time? I settled on suse about 3 years ago after trying, redhat,debian,mandrake,slackware and even caldera. And since every caldera user is here today I want to wish you the very best. But buzz off if you think caldera is better because it only releases once in a blue moon or you think it doesn’t crash as often, or you think it is more secure.
With a default install of suse you are going to have a minimum of problems. If you try to install a whole bunch of the software that suse releases on its cd’s then you open yourself up to problems. KISS is the mantra.
Linux is going to have hardware problems until manufacturers start to realize that microsoft isn’t the only game in town.
Linux may not be much more secure that windows but we the users have much more control over what happens instead of waiting for Mr. Bill to decide what we should know and what we do not need to know. Security is a process.
Everybody that uses open source operating systems needs to realize that the more we fight over stupid little details the more Mr. Bill sits back in his mega-million dollar house in Redmond and laughs at our stupidity.