This is great! I am glad to see that they are finalizing things (hopefully they will still hit the Nov. 9th release date).
I read on Mozillazine that it is advised to wait until 1.0 is officially released. The current release is intended for those who want to help track down bugs.
In the Mozillazine comments area, several people have already complained of some problems.
I have been using nightlies for several weeks because they finally fixed the Slashdot rendering problems, but as a result, adblock has been unstable on my home machine, frequently crashing FF when I use a regex to block something.
That chart is not accurate. There are some things that the default Firefox install has, which are marked as “X,” like “Automatic Login/Password Key, Multiple Search Box,” and a few other. It only takes 10 min to install all the extensions if you know what you are looking for. It takes 30 min, if you don’t. However, there are enough articles with the most sought after extensions, which new users will probably read. My main annoyance with Firefox is that there is no Zoom/Shrink, and that the interface is slower. If you click many links to open in a new tab with your middle-mouse-button you’ll see the focus trailing far behind. This is a problem in Gecko, I think. It’s been like this for years, it has not been fixed.
Sometimes perfection is achived by *removing* features. firefox became more famous and more usable that way. if you want more features install the extensions. that way firefox is always ahead if you want to play the features game, btw this is not a opera vs firefox fight yet again. thats stupid
One thing I hate about Firefox is that extensions do not work until they are updated. Mostly, the only thing that needs to be updated is the number in the version range. This sucks! Firefox should have some code that detects whether or not an extension is compatible based on some algorithm by running the extension in a sandbox. This way, extensions should work even when you update Firefox.
This is significantly more polished than the previous release.
Has Opera fixed their crap rendering of non standards compliant sites yet? That was the main reason I switched to Mozilla ages ago (and from there to Firefox).
Oh and the fact there is about a billion menu entries and you need a search function to find the setting you want to change.
The extensions updating has to do with FF extension API being unstable while FF is in “technology preview”. I remember when FF was announced. I don’t think anyone realized that it would be this big, or that (more importantly) Linux distros would start shipping it before 1.0. In that light the decision to make extensions FF version dependent was only reasonable. FF probably will not have as rapid a change in version numbers post 1.0
By the way, Anony’s post you refered to before – it’s the commands for installing FF on Gentoo.
Just a guess: It looks like they are not using XFT for font rendering, but enabling TTF and GTK2 w/gnome intergration. Looks like that would speed things up a bit. As I said, this is only a guess on the compile options.
Gnome has made a few changes to where the buttons sit w/in gnome. FF has a customize option to where it fits into the gnome theme/layout (aka button order and more). Its based on their HIG.
Not quite. Antialiased fonts remain in rendered web pages, but not in the Firefox UI. Yes, all gnome support is disabled, so the browser is fast again.
Firstly, Firefox is the browser I use most often, I am definitely a fan.
That being said, I have only one problem with Firefox… it’s load time. Somewhere (I believe around version .8 or so) the time it takes Firefox to start up is pretty poor on all my boxen (ranging from “just getting by” hardware to “state of the art”). However, the issue is only for Firefox on Linux… for whatever reason. One of my boxes still runs Windows XP and Firefox starts up quickly there. Without using a stop-watch, I’d say Firefox takes about 15 seconds to start up on my Linux boxen. I know, I know… “Who cares, 15 seconds?” I know, I know… “Who even ever closes it?” The answer is simple, “I do.”
In the latest 7.6 preview release of Opera, I read that the voice part must be downloaded/installed seperately from the browser. If this is the case, then let’s not have any more bitching about Firefox extensions, mmmmkay ?
Opera’s voice libary download is not really an extension in the style of Firefox, where you have to actively search for a particular extension you like. To install voice support its a case of going to the preference window and checking the Enable voice support checkbox. Its seamless and doesn’t have that klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has.
Its seamless and doesn’t have that klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has.
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crap. firefox extensions are as seamless as anything ever will be. dont worry about opera not having any extensions thou. it does have a “extensions look” all over it starting with ad bar down to no choice m2 mail client
Why is it that whenever anything is announced about Firefox all the Opera guys crawl out of the woodwork and start on about how good it is by comparison?
As far as that comparison chart goes, I would brand it FUD in a number of places. Apart from the issue that these sort of charts frequently crop up and the criteria are always chosen by the people promoting their product, I find issue with quite a few of them:
“Instant Display for Back/Fwd Button” – what the heck IS that?
Global Zoom – well Firefox does text, is that mentioned? No… and I think there might be an extension for images.
Multiple Search Box – um, yes, Firefox has one – what did you think that box with the Google logo was for?
They did get one thing right – Opera isn’t open source. It’s also not free – they fail to mention “Contains ads unless you pay for it”. This is a BIG issue to me – I am not paying for a browser when there’s a perfectly good alternative available.
Anyway, let Firefox have it’s moment. You may continue using Opera – nobody said you had to change.
Oh, and Dr SuSE, what on earth have you done to it? It never starts incredibly fast for me, but 15 seconds is reeeeally slow…
instant display for back / forward – they mean opera is very fast at rendering the previous or more recent page when you hit back or forward, appreciably faster than Firefox is.
I agree on global zoom – I use text zoom when some site uses a ridiculously small font and I want it to be bigger, I don’t necessarily want the pictures any bigger.
You make these statements about a FREE, open source browser that is still in an unfinished state to a commercial browser with advertising thats at version 7.x.
I agree that it is absurd to compare a free piece of software such as Firefox with one that costs money such as Opera, and no I don’t want a free Opera that spams me with every web page i go to.
Firefox is a very nice piece of software in my opinion, and the only web browsing solution I have found worthwhile on Linux. Mozilla is nice too I am sure. All other browsers I have looked at have been missing some essential part such as ability to display frames or such. They are all cute projects, such as BrowseX, and perhaps have a place in a specialized enviroment, but for my personal web surfing I have yet to see anything compare to firefox.
And no, I don’t want to hear about Opera on your AMD Macintosh running FreeBSD !
The Opera fans forgot to mention its is slow, very slow when a piece of javascript shows it head, which is only most websites. Firefox in the memory constanty is still faster at just plain HTML. Most of the comparision chart is wrong (Cause I use a lot of those features in Mozilla/Firefox without extentions), and does not list the many features Opera is missing. This news item has nothing to do with Opera, and no reason to bring it up. So get rid of the advertisment and go somewhere else.
lets make this short: opera is on borrowed time, nice try with the contrived chart though…the only thing they were missing is the “is called Opera” row.
Whilst I think Firefox is truly great, I do have a couple of small niggles. Firstly, the memory issue – I don’t think it’s technically a memory ‘leak’, but why it does seem to just chew through the memory on 256Mb box.
Small interface quirks.
1. If you use Ctrl-K (search bar), sometimes the first letter of your search term will be hidden. For example, you type in “foobar”, and the box will only show “oobar”, and the “f” is hidden to the left (as if it scrolled to the right, even though foobar doesn’t fill the box). I’m still trying to find out the exact conditions to reproduce this consistently.
1. I’m not sure if this is intentional, but if you press F6 to jump to tje address bar, it insists on selecting the web contents first, requiring a second press to go to address bar – shouldn’t F6 go to the address bar straightaway? (The reason this is super annoying is that the third F6 takes it back to the page, so you can’t just hit the F6 key a few times, you have to hit it the right number of times).
3. Finally, if you open sites like Yahoo and Ebay in another tab in the background, they have an annoying habit of stealing input focus even if though they are not the active tab. So you’re halfway through typing something, and then your input mysteriously stops. It took me a while to figure out that the text-boxes for the inactive tabs were stealing focus.
Anyway, does anybody else experience these issues? (It might just be me…*grin*)
Bye,
Victor
NB: Firefox still rocks! (although the netcat ‘web’ script is nearly as good.)
I agree on global zoom – I use text zoom when some site uses a ridiculously small font and I want it to be bigger, I don’t necessarily want the pictures any bigger.
Though I am a Firefox user myself, I must admit that Opera does a better job at zooming than does Firefox. Why would you not want the pictures to get bigger with the text?
Am I the only one who’s tired of these constant Opera vs. Mozilla/Firefox bashings ?
I believe Opera is a more complete product it’s not OSS and it has some features I don’t like, but that’s personal opinion. Can’t we just all live along and be happy that everybody has his or her own preferred browser ?
Just seems better for me that way. Maybe it’s my situation – I usually only use this feature on my HTPC, which displays on a TV, so big screen area but low resolution. When sites choose ridiculously small fonts (8 or 9, sometimes) it’s practically unreadable on a TV screen, so I want to increase the size of the fonts. The pictures are usually easily big enough to see, if they got any bigger it’d just be wasting more space.
You make these statements about a FREE, open source browser that is still in an unfinished state to a commercial browser with advertising thats at version 7.x.”
Is this supposed to be a defense of Firefox? Because it’s completely valid to compare the two since they’re in direct competition with each other.
“3. Finally, if you open sites like Yahoo and Ebay in another tab in the background, they have an annoying habit of stealing input focus even if though they are not the active tab. So you’re halfway through typing something, and then your input mysteriously stops. It took me a while to figure out that the text-boxes for the inactive tabs were stealing focus.”
FF is a great browser that advertises valid code, but spreadfirefox.com and mozilla.org/products/firefox does not even validate itself and forms on the page look really wired in Opera.
“Is this supposed to be a defense of Firefox? Because it’s completely valid to compare the two since they’re in direct competition with each other. ”
But not in news that is solely about Firefox. Opera users who come in to a Firefox news piece bitching and moaning about how much better Opera is should just f’off imo.
Great browser, a fine piece of work. However, the menus are bloated and awful, and it isn’t as broadly workable as gecko based things (although opera comes pretty close).
The only thing Opera does better than the rest, efficiency. It’s a clean piece of software, they do a good job of making it snappy.
#3: Fixed on the 26th of Oct, according to bugzilla- brilliant =). Thanks for pointing that out, dude.
#1: Open up a new tab with Ctrl-T, press F6 and notice what happens. Go to any site with frames, press F6 and look again. Anyway, I did some searching, and at http://texturizer.net/firefox/keyboard.html they say that F6 is both the shortcut for Address Bar as well as Jump to Next Frame. Is this intentional?
Personally, I think it’s a bit confusing to use one key to double up for two uses. I mean, there’s gotta be something in the HIG against using one key combination for two shortcuts.
#1 (which I put #1 hehe): It’s happened a few times to me. Trying to reproduce it. Nobody has this?
Memory issue – WinXP SP1, 256 Mb DDR, Athlon XP 1600+, Firefox 1.0PR – open up four or five tabs, browse OSnews or slashdot for 25 minutes, and for some reason ram usage shoots up to 53,308 Kb (Private Bytes, as reported by Process Explorer). Obviously this isn’t a very scientific test, and I should get a VMWare sandbox and play around, but FF definitely seems to consistently use more than 40 Mb of ram.
I understand the reason’s for Opera’s chart. It makes since. They have a business interest in their browser and our trying to advertise its strengths. However, it fails to recognize the fundamental difference between the structure of Opera and the structure of Firefox. Firefox was created as a streamlined Gecko browser. It ISN’T meant to have everything. Mozilla was meant to have everything Instead, you pick and choose the specific parts you want through extensions, making it more streamlined (in theory). If they really wanted an accurate feature comparions, they should list every item on http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/ and see if Opera has the equivalent feature. Firefox really is feature-rich, it just doesn’t want to be by default (a good idea IMO).
I really hope they have fixed firefox for OSX 10.3.5. I’ve been running firfox/pheonix since 0.6 on both windows and OSX and its basically been the default browser for over a year. I even managed to get it installed on every PC at work and a lot of the users there now use it as theyre default browser.
0.9 was just rock solid, stable and crash free but 1.0PR has just become a pain with up to 4 crashes within a 2 hour period nearly everyday. Just clicking on a URL, opening a new tab or switching tabs would just get it to beach ball – checking CPU usage it constantly hits 80-90% and the only thing to do is either wait for it to bomb out or kill the app. For the last few days its been so bad I’ve ended up switching to safari. Non of the nightly builds would fix the problem.
I’ll download the new version and test it out. I still really like firefox – to me its the best browser out there.
For #1[1], I’ve never seen that problem. Though I can recall reading about a perhaps similar problem with the cursor being too close to the last character in text fields.
Regarding #1[2] there, F6 being overloaded like that is probably due to conflicting legacy expectations from Windows and Linux. But since both Alt+D and Ctrl+L work exclusively for location focus, I don’t personally have a problem.
The memory issue: I’ve got 9 tabs across two windows open, and it’s (RC1) using a little under 90MB right now. I agree that the memory situation is bad, but my impression is that it’s a whole host of little leaks, rather then just one big unified problem. And they seem to be making some progress at least:
I happen to use the Download Sort extension that (among a lot of other stuff) seems to always append the name change at the end. So on my system I’ve got:
The Mac version of Firefox still doesn’t remember where you had the window when you last shut FF down, which means it always opens in the top left corner. Camino has come on considerably in the last couple of releases, and it’s now my regular browser.
“The Opera fans forgot to mention its is slow, very slow when a piece of javascript shows it head”
This is a troll. It’s ridiculous. Oh, and regarding memory, launch Opera, and launch Firefox. Tell me what shows up first. And install file weights 3.5MB for Opera, and 4.52MB for Firefox which has doesn’t have even 10% of its features (without extentions).
Yes, I know that Opera uses Presto on both mobile and PC. The company keeps bragging about it! It’s the only browser which uses the same core on all devices.
well since mmaaany versions ago, both mozilla and firefox support middle-clicking, either for opening a link in a new window or in a new tab (depending on configuration in mozilla, and I think in firefox it automaticall does it in a new tab)
I’ve read all the post here and something that really disturbs me is all this bickering about “my browser can do this, your can’t” kind of warcall. FGS, it’s a browser. Use what you are comfortable with. The common enemy here is MS and IE not Mozilla or Opera. Both browsers have its pros and cons. Use what you feel comfortable with. The Opera camp do not like to DL extensions, so be it. The Firefox camp likes to add extension, so be it. The real war is changing the mindset of Mom, Pop, Sisters and Brothers that there is other browers other than IE. How do Opera or OSS users ever going to gain support when you can’t even put your heads together. Instead of crowing about the virtues of your browser of choice, among the community that reads this site, why don’t you start telling Mom, Pop, Sisters and Brothers the virtue of (insert browser of choice). They might be able to tell you 2-5 reasons why they are sticking to IE, you my nerdy friends can give them fifty reasons why they should not. I know I have done my part. Anyone?
Me too. I blame at everybody who uses Internet Explorer and offer a free install of Opera, but the don’t use it.
The browser war between Firefox and Opera is like the Desktop war between Linux distros: Gentoo is better than Suse, No, Red Hat is better that Mandrake! And Microsoft stares at the scene.
The browser war between Firefox and Opera is like the Desktop war between Linux distros: Gentoo is better than Suse, No, Red Hat is better that Mandrake! And Microsoft stares at the scene.
Yes it is a nice show, but who is the loser. MS – I don’t think so. The non-coperation in the OSS faction will only make the Dark Side stronger on each passing day
I hope they change the Desktop icon in favor of one with an alpha channel and smooth shadows before 1.0. I don’t know what it’s like on Windows or OS X, but the firefox icon in their Linux version seems quite pixelated on the edges.
This may seem unimportant to many people, but perfection comes from the details.
Victor, I have seen the first bug you listed, where in some cases the search bar will cover up the first letter in the field. It is annoying to me, but has never been annoying enough for me to try to figure it out. I’m using 1.0PR.
Just so you know you’re not the only one to experience it.
What is the point to post Opera message inside the topic dedicated for Firefox? I would understand if it was like “Fire fox vs Opera” topic but it is not. Care to elaborate?
Jason: Yes, Ctrl-D, Ctrl-L and F6 all do the same thing (Jump to Location Address Bar). However, it’s just weird that F6 also doubles up for ‘cycle between frames’ – would this be considered a HIG/UI bug?
Anonymous (#1): Yes, thankyou, I’m not going insane =). Yeah, sometimes firefox just cuts off the first letter in the search field.
Does anybody know if #3 (grab input in background tab) is fixed in 1.0RC? (apologies if this is easy to find out – sorry, haven’t used bugzilla before;.).
Does anybody know if #3 (grab input in background tab) is fixed in 1.0RC? (apologies if this is easy to find out – sorry, haven’t used bugzilla before;.).
“Jason: Yes, Ctrl-D, Ctrl-L and F6 all do the same thing (Jump to Location Address Bar). However, it’s just weird that F6 also doubles up for ‘cycle between frames’ – would this be considered a HIG/UI bug?”
Victor: Yeah…I think you might be right about that. I never cared much for several key commands that do the same thing. It just gets confusing…particularly the double mapping of F6. I hope they plan on resolving that for 1.0. I think that given Firefox is still a technology Preview, and the robust feture set it has currently (along with the added capability of extensions), Firefox is one kick ass browser. Hopefully this minor UI bug will get squashed.
Awesome, but what was there to fix, I cant see it becoming any better because it already has been perfected =) GO FireFox
This is great! I am glad to see that they are finalizing things (hopefully they will still hit the Nov. 9th release date).
I read on Mozillazine that it is advised to wait until 1.0 is officially released. The current release is intended for those who want to help track down bugs.
In the Mozillazine comments area, several people have already complained of some problems.
http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=5429
Check the comparison chart and tell me if it’s “perfect”. We don’t have the same definition of perfection
http://spreadopera.auriance.com/browser_comparison.php
Not to say that Firfox is indeed perfect, but is there anything on that list that can’t be done with extensions?
A lot of it looks pretty trivial anyway.
I have been using nightlies for several weeks because they finally fixed the Slashdot rendering problems, but as a result, adblock has been unstable on my home machine, frequently crashing FF when I use a regex to block something.
So far though, RC1 seems to be doing ok! Nice!
That chart is not accurate. There are some things that the default Firefox install has, which are marked as “X,” like “Automatic Login/Password Key, Multiple Search Box,” and a few other. It only takes 10 min to install all the extensions if you know what you are looking for. It takes 30 min, if you don’t. However, there are enough articles with the most sought after extensions, which new users will probably read. My main annoyance with Firefox is that there is no Zoom/Shrink, and that the interface is slower. If you click many links to open in a new tab with your middle-mouse-button you’ll see the focus trailing far behind. This is a problem in Gecko, I think. It’s been like this for years, it has not been fixed.
Sometimes perfection is achived by *removing* features. firefox became more famous and more usable that way. if you want more features install the extensions. that way firefox is always ahead if you want to play the features game, btw this is not a opera vs firefox fight yet again. thats stupid
USE=”moznoxft -truetype -gtk2 -gnome”
emerge mozilla-firefox
What are you talking about? What the hell is that? I have no idea what the hell that does in Gnome, nor do I know its Windows equivalent.
One thing I hate about Firefox is that extensions do not work until they are updated. Mostly, the only thing that needs to be updated is the number in the version range. This sucks! Firefox should have some code that detects whether or not an extension is compatible based on some algorithm by running the extension in a sandbox. This way, extensions should work even when you update Firefox.
This is significantly more polished than the previous release.
Has Opera fixed their crap rendering of non standards compliant sites yet? That was the main reason I switched to Mozilla ages ago (and from there to Firefox).
Oh and the fact there is about a billion menu entries and you need a search function to find the setting you want to change.
i had some crashes with preview 1.0 (windows version). they were repeatable crashes usually due to scripts. i hope these are fixed in RC.
http://www.squarefree.com/burningedge/releases/1.0.html
bugs fixed
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/qa/changelog-rc1.html
The extensions updating has to do with FF extension API being unstable while FF is in “technology preview”. I remember when FF was announced. I don’t think anyone realized that it would be this big, or that (more importantly) Linux distros would start shipping it before 1.0. In that light the decision to make extensions FF version dependent was only reasonable. FF probably will not have as rapid a change in version numbers post 1.0
By the way, Anony’s post you refered to before – it’s the commands for installing FF on Gentoo.
Thats because you have been using a preview release so far. care would be taken *after* a stable release is made NOT to break extensions
What are you talking about? What the hell is that? I have no idea what the hell that does in Gnome, nor do I know its Windows equivalent.
he probably uses Gentoo
USE=”moznoxft -truetype -gtk2 -gnome”
emerge mozilla-firefox
Just a guess: It looks like they are not using XFT for font rendering, but enabling TTF and GTK2 w/gnome intergration. Looks like that would speed things up a bit. As I said, this is only a guess on the compile options.
Gnome has made a few changes to where the buttons sit w/in gnome. FF has a customize option to where it fits into the gnome theme/layout (aka button order and more). Its based on their HIG.
I could be wrong.
He does use Gentoo.
That command installs Firefox without GTK2, Gnome, TrueType or XFT support. IE: No antialiased fonts at all, gtk1 interface.
“No antialiased fonts at all”
Not quite. Antialiased fonts remain in rendered web pages, but not in the Firefox UI. Yes, all gnome support is disabled, so the browser is fast again.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=233765&sid=3d7912d4e0ba586…
No good looking fonts
no gnome integration
no accessibility
no internationalisation and so forth.
Firstly, Firefox is the browser I use most often, I am definitely a fan.
That being said, I have only one problem with Firefox… it’s load time. Somewhere (I believe around version .8 or so) the time it takes Firefox to start up is pretty poor on all my boxen (ranging from “just getting by” hardware to “state of the art”). However, the issue is only for Firefox on Linux… for whatever reason. One of my boxes still runs Windows XP and Firefox starts up quickly there. Without using a stop-watch, I’d say Firefox takes about 15 seconds to start up on my Linux boxen. I know, I know… “Who cares, 15 seconds?” I know, I know… “Who even ever closes it?” The answer is simple, “I do.”
I still love it, though.
–Dr. SuSE
In the latest 7.6 preview release of Opera, I read that the voice part must be downloaded/installed seperately from the browser. If this is the case, then let’s not have any more bitching about Firefox extensions, mmmmkay ?
Opera’s voice libary download is not really an extension in the style of Firefox, where you have to actively search for a particular extension you like. To install voice support its a case of going to the preference window and checking the Enable voice support checkbox. Its seamless and doesn’t have that klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has.
Its seamless and doesn’t have that klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has.
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crap. firefox extensions are as seamless as anything ever will be. dont worry about opera not having any extensions thou. it does have a “extensions look” all over it starting with ad bar down to no choice m2 mail client
Why is it that whenever anything is announced about Firefox all the Opera guys crawl out of the woodwork and start on about how good it is by comparison?
As far as that comparison chart goes, I would brand it FUD in a number of places. Apart from the issue that these sort of charts frequently crop up and the criteria are always chosen by the people promoting their product, I find issue with quite a few of them:
“Instant Display for Back/Fwd Button” – what the heck IS that?
Global Zoom – well Firefox does text, is that mentioned? No… and I think there might be an extension for images.
Multiple Search Box – um, yes, Firefox has one – what did you think that box with the Google logo was for?
They did get one thing right – Opera isn’t open source. It’s also not free – they fail to mention “Contains ads unless you pay for it”. This is a BIG issue to me – I am not paying for a browser when there’s a perfectly good alternative available.
Anyway, let Firefox have it’s moment. You may continue using Opera – nobody said you had to change.
Oh, and Dr SuSE, what on earth have you done to it? It never starts incredibly fast for me, but 15 seconds is reeeeally slow…
Lots of extensions installed (like thirty)?
“Its seamless and doesn’t have that klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has.”
How is “click on .xpi href -> click install” not seamless? Its damn intuitive and definitely NOT ambiguous to a NOVICE user.
I love comments like this: “klunky 3rd party feel to it like firefox extensions has”. It gives me something to laugh at:
1. You can’t spell.
2. You make random, misguided statements based on your opinion with nothing to back them up.
3. It reminds me of the old Intel zealots (which still exist actually).
instant display for back / forward – they mean opera is very fast at rendering the previous or more recent page when you hit back or forward, appreciably faster than Firefox is.
I agree on global zoom – I use text zoom when some site uses a ridiculously small font and I want it to be bigger, I don’t necessarily want the pictures any bigger.
And I forgot to mention the funiest part of all.
You make these statements about a FREE, open source browser that is still in an unfinished state to a commercial browser with advertising thats at version 7.x.
Rofl…
Incremental improvements as ever – things are shaping up rather nicely … – looking good for Firefox.
I agree that it is absurd to compare a free piece of software such as Firefox with one that costs money such as Opera, and no I don’t want a free Opera that spams me with every web page i go to.
Firefox is a very nice piece of software in my opinion, and the only web browsing solution I have found worthwhile on Linux. Mozilla is nice too I am sure. All other browsers I have looked at have been missing some essential part such as ability to display frames or such. They are all cute projects, such as BrowseX, and perhaps have a place in a specialized enviroment, but for my personal web surfing I have yet to see anything compare to firefox.
And no, I don’t want to hear about Opera on your AMD Macintosh running FreeBSD !
The Opera fans forgot to mention its is slow, very slow when a piece of javascript shows it head, which is only most websites. Firefox in the memory constanty is still faster at just plain HTML. Most of the comparision chart is wrong (Cause I use a lot of those features in Mozilla/Firefox without extentions), and does not list the many features Opera is missing. This news item has nothing to do with Opera, and no reason to bring it up. So get rid of the advertisment and go somewhere else.
lets make this short: opera is on borrowed time, nice try with the contrived chart though…the only thing they were missing is the “is called Opera” row.
Hi,
Whilst I think Firefox is truly great, I do have a couple of small niggles. Firstly, the memory issue – I don’t think it’s technically a memory ‘leak’, but why it does seem to just chew through the memory on 256Mb box.
Small interface quirks.
1. If you use Ctrl-K (search bar), sometimes the first letter of your search term will be hidden. For example, you type in “foobar”, and the box will only show “oobar”, and the “f” is hidden to the left (as if it scrolled to the right, even though foobar doesn’t fill the box). I’m still trying to find out the exact conditions to reproduce this consistently.
1. I’m not sure if this is intentional, but if you press F6 to jump to tje address bar, it insists on selecting the web contents first, requiring a second press to go to address bar – shouldn’t F6 go to the address bar straightaway? (The reason this is super annoying is that the third F6 takes it back to the page, so you can’t just hit the F6 key a few times, you have to hit it the right number of times).
3. Finally, if you open sites like Yahoo and Ebay in another tab in the background, they have an annoying habit of stealing input focus even if though they are not the active tab. So you’re halfway through typing something, and then your input mysteriously stops. It took me a while to figure out that the text-boxes for the inactive tabs were stealing focus.
Anyway, does anybody else experience these issues? (It might just be me…*grin*)
Bye,
Victor
NB: Firefox still rocks! (although the netcat ‘web’ script is nearly as good.)
I agree on global zoom – I use text zoom when some site uses a ridiculously small font and I want it to be bigger, I don’t necessarily want the pictures any bigger.
Though I am a Firefox user myself, I must admit that Opera does a better job at zooming than does Firefox. Why would you not want the pictures to get bigger with the text?
Am I the only one who’s tired of these constant Opera vs. Mozilla/Firefox bashings ?
I believe Opera is a more complete product it’s not OSS and it has some features I don’t like, but that’s personal opinion. Can’t we just all live along and be happy that everybody has his or her own preferred browser ?
victorhool,
I do not experience the described issues “1” and uhh… “1” (which I presume was meant to be 2, heh).
As for “3,” it has happened to me only once and it was in the .9 series.
I also do not experience the un-numbered issue about memory usage.
What type of system do you have this installed and how did you install it?
Later,
Dr. SuSE
Firefox is FREE, like as “free of speech” AND “free beer”.
Just seems better for me that way. Maybe it’s my situation – I usually only use this feature on my HTPC, which displays on a TV, so big screen area but low resolution. When sites choose ridiculously small fonts (8 or 9, sometimes) it’s practically unreadable on a TV screen, so I want to increase the size of the fonts. The pictures are usually easily big enough to see, if they got any bigger it’d just be wasting more space.
“And I forgot to mention the funiest part of all.
You make these statements about a FREE, open source browser that is still in an unfinished state to a commercial browser with advertising thats at version 7.x.”
Is this supposed to be a defense of Firefox? Because it’s completely valid to compare the two since they’re in direct competition with each other.
“3. Finally, if you open sites like Yahoo and Ebay in another tab in the background, they have an annoying habit of stealing input focus even if though they are not the active tab. So you’re halfway through typing something, and then your input mysteriously stops. It took me a while to figure out that the text-boxes for the inactive tabs were stealing focus.”
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265456
Fixed, looks like.
FF is a great browser that advertises valid code, but spreadfirefox.com and mozilla.org/products/firefox does not even validate itself and forms on the page look really wired in Opera.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spre…
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mozi…
I think these should be fixed ASAP.
“Is this supposed to be a defense of Firefox? Because it’s completely valid to compare the two since they’re in direct competition with each other. ”
But not in news that is solely about Firefox. Opera users who come in to a Firefox news piece bitching and moaning about how much better Opera is should just f’off imo.
Great browser, a fine piece of work. However, the menus are bloated and awful, and it isn’t as broadly workable as gecko based things (although opera comes pretty close).
The only thing Opera does better than the rest, efficiency. It’s a clean piece of software, they do a good job of making it snappy.
Feature Opera FireFox
First Letter “O” Y N
Second Letter “P” Y N
Third Letter “E” Y N
Fourth Letter “R” Y N
Fifth Letter “A” Y N
Has 5 Letter Name Y N
Version > 6 Y N
Closed Source Y N
Free Ad popups Y N
Uses Lots of Memory Y N
There you have it, Opera is a much better browser than Firefox. It has so many more features that Firefox just simply lacks.
I quit opera and avant as soon as i tried firefox. It is way beyond the othe two.
Hi,
#3: Fixed on the 26th of Oct, according to bugzilla- brilliant =). Thanks for pointing that out, dude.
#1: Open up a new tab with Ctrl-T, press F6 and notice what happens. Go to any site with frames, press F6 and look again. Anyway, I did some searching, and at http://texturizer.net/firefox/keyboard.html they say that F6 is both the shortcut for Address Bar as well as Jump to Next Frame. Is this intentional?
Personally, I think it’s a bit confusing to use one key to double up for two uses. I mean, there’s gotta be something in the HIG against using one key combination for two shortcuts.
#1 (which I put #1 hehe): It’s happened a few times to me. Trying to reproduce it. Nobody has this?
Memory issue – WinXP SP1, 256 Mb DDR, Athlon XP 1600+, Firefox 1.0PR – open up four or five tabs, browse OSnews or slashdot for 25 minutes, and for some reason ram usage shoots up to 53,308 Kb (Private Bytes, as reported by Process Explorer). Obviously this isn’t a very scientific test, and I should get a VMWare sandbox and play around, but FF definitely seems to consistently use more than 40 Mb of ram.
I understand the reason’s for Opera’s chart. It makes since. They have a business interest in their browser and our trying to advertise its strengths. However, it fails to recognize the fundamental difference between the structure of Opera and the structure of Firefox. Firefox was created as a streamlined Gecko browser. It ISN’T meant to have everything. Mozilla was meant to have everything Instead, you pick and choose the specific parts you want through extensions, making it more streamlined (in theory). If they really wanted an accurate feature comparions, they should list every item on http://texturizer.net/firefox/extensions/ and see if Opera has the equivalent feature. Firefox really is feature-rich, it just doesn’t want to be by default (a good idea IMO).
There is this little feature, which annoys the shit
out of me. If you download say packet-0.9.tar.gz twice you
end up having:
packet-0.9.tar.gz and (!)
packet-1.9.tar.gz
This is just soo brilliant, that I even went to firefox’s bugzilla, came to the conclusion that bugzilla is beyond
my comprehension and went straight back to Mozilla again.#
Anyhow, this is just me. May you all be happy and content
with your new love. I can’t stand anybody outsmarten me not even browsers.
I hope they will inlcude an update button so that you can update firefox
whenever a new version is out, or does it already exist?
Most themes and extensions do not work.
I get messages like bla bla only works with version 0.10b or 0.10+.
Great.
One way they can ALWAYS make improvements on is memory consumption. The lighter the better!
I really hope they have fixed firefox for OSX 10.3.5. I’ve been running firfox/pheonix since 0.6 on both windows and OSX and its basically been the default browser for over a year. I even managed to get it installed on every PC at work and a lot of the users there now use it as theyre default browser.
0.9 was just rock solid, stable and crash free but 1.0PR has just become a pain with up to 4 crashes within a 2 hour period nearly everyday. Just clicking on a URL, opening a new tab or switching tabs would just get it to beach ball – checking CPU usage it constantly hits 80-90% and the only thing to do is either wait for it to bomb out or kill the app. For the last few days its been so bad I’ve ended up switching to safari. Non of the nightly builds would fix the problem.
I’ll download the new version and test it out. I still really like firefox – to me its the best browser out there.
@Victor
For #1[1], I’ve never seen that problem. Though I can recall reading about a perhaps similar problem with the cursor being too close to the last character in text fields.
Regarding #1[2] there, F6 being overloaded like that is probably due to conflicting legacy expectations from Windows and Linux. But since both Alt+D and Ctrl+L work exclusively for location focus, I don’t personally have a problem.
The memory issue: I’ve got 9 tabs across two windows open, and it’s (RC1) using a little under 90MB right now. I agree that the memory situation is bad, but my impression is that it’s a whole host of little leaks, rather then just one big unified problem. And they seem to be making some progress at least:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252345
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=262758
@Your Name
I happen to use the Download Sort extension that (among a lot of other stuff) seems to always append the name change at the end. So on my system I’ve got:
firefox-1.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe
firefox-1.0.en-US.win32.installer-1.exe
firefox-1.0.en-US.win32.installer-2.exe
Download Sort here:
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=25&vid=26
and again most of my extensions are useless in this new release 🙁
and it’s crashing regularly, lets hope 1.0 final sorts this out.
Biker, check this out:
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=973
Dimble: have you tried backing up your bookmarks and making a new profile?
is there any plugin for Firefox that allows it to have the same kind of “smart dragging” functionality as MyIE2? I really like it.
For those who don’t know it, on MyIE2 if you drag the mouse from a link, it will open that link in a new page.
Since I use MyIE2 at work and FF at home, I always end up doing the same at home ….
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and again most of my extensions are useless in this new release 🙁
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Not quite: If your favorite extensions are broken because of the version change, try this:
Open /%appdata%/Mozilla/Firefox/Profiles/randomname/extensions/Exte nsions.rdf
Change all instances of maxVersion=”0.10″ to maxVersion=”1.0″
Rod, you’re looking for the Super Drag&Go extension:
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=376
Axord you are my hero today !
http://www.extensionsmirror.nl/index.php?showtopic=973
the easiest is to change your app version.
– Type about:config in the addresbar
– Type app.extensions.version in the filterbar
– Rightclick the entry and choose modify
– Change 1.0 to 0.10
I use Firefox both in Linux and W2K so this is the easiest solution. Now I can use my ‘Synchronize Bookmarks’ extension 🙂
Thanks…
The Mac version of Firefox still doesn’t remember where you had the window when you last shut FF down, which means it always opens in the top left corner. Camino has come on considerably in the last couple of releases, and it’s now my regular browser.
“The Opera fans forgot to mention its is slow, very slow when a piece of javascript shows it head”
This is a troll. It’s ridiculous. Oh, and regarding memory, launch Opera, and launch Firefox. Tell me what shows up first. And install file weights 3.5MB for Opera, and 4.52MB for Firefox which has doesn’t have even 10% of its features (without extentions).
So, which one has cleaner code and is lighter?
So, which one has cleaner code and is lighter?
I don’t know, why don’t we compare the source code? Oh yeah, only one of them has source code available and is freely licensed.
Be advised that quality checking and security screening for extensions is not done to a sufficient level just yet:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=149844
This means that an extension could be nice when added to UMO, but a later update could include malware, and the staff might not catch it.
Opera fits on mobiles, Firefox does not. But nevermind that, we’re talking about Firefox here aren’t we?
1) Are you sure that opera on desktop and opera on mobiles share code base? I am not sure.
2) I heard that mozilla now does some work to fit on mobiles. Ask google.
The chart is *not* created by Opera Software, and is in no way an official comparison made by the company.
Yes, I know that Opera uses Presto on both mobile and PC. The company keeps bragging about it! It’s the only browser which uses the same core on all devices.
Dillo and konqueror use same code on handhelds and desktop.
well since mmaaany versions ago, both mozilla and firefox support middle-clicking, either for opening a link in a new window or in a new tab (depending on configuration in mozilla, and I think in firefox it automaticall does it in a new tab)
I’ve read all the post here and something that really disturbs me is all this bickering about “my browser can do this, your can’t” kind of warcall. FGS, it’s a browser. Use what you are comfortable with. The common enemy here is MS and IE not Mozilla or Opera. Both browsers have its pros and cons. Use what you feel comfortable with. The Opera camp do not like to DL extensions, so be it. The Firefox camp likes to add extension, so be it. The real war is changing the mindset of Mom, Pop, Sisters and Brothers that there is other browers other than IE. How do Opera or OSS users ever going to gain support when you can’t even put your heads together. Instead of crowing about the virtues of your browser of choice, among the community that reads this site, why don’t you start telling Mom, Pop, Sisters and Brothers the virtue of (insert browser of choice). They might be able to tell you 2-5 reasons why they are sticking to IE, you my nerdy friends can give them fifty reasons why they should not. I know I have done my part. Anyone?
[i]I know I have done my part. Anyone?>/i>
Me too. I blame at everybody who uses Internet Explorer and offer a free install of Opera, but the don’t use it.
The browser war between Firefox and Opera is like the Desktop war between Linux distros: Gentoo is better than Suse, No, Red Hat is better that Mandrake! And Microsoft stares at the scene.
The browser war between Firefox and Opera is like the Desktop war between Linux distros: Gentoo is better than Suse, No, Red Hat is better that Mandrake! And Microsoft stares at the scene.
But you have to agree is a nice show
Yes it is a nice show, but who is the loser. MS – I don’t think so. The non-coperation in the OSS faction will only make the Dark Side stronger on each passing day
“Opera fits on mobiles, Firefox does not. But nevermind that, we’re talking about Firefox here aren’t we?”
Actually Firefox does fit. There are several photos that I have seen of it at Spreadfirefox.
Fortunetly 1/3 of the plugins I have either have an updated version or just so happen to work in RC1.
It seems the plugis are breaking because the .XPI files contain a FireFox version number, not because there’s a compatibility issue.
I haven’t gotten this fix to work on my plugins yet but you can read how to fix the plugins yourself at
http://www.cszen.com/index.php?topic=1488.msg20734#msg20734
I hope they change the Desktop icon in favor of one with an alpha channel and smooth shadows before 1.0. I don’t know what it’s like on Windows or OS X, but the firefox icon in their Linux version seems quite pixelated on the edges.
This may seem unimportant to many people, but perfection comes from the details.
Hi Julian, feel free to download PNG icons of firefox here:
http://www.landemaine.com/firefox2.jairo.boudewyn.128×128.png
http://www.landemaine.com/firefox.jairo.boudewyn.128×128.png
http://www.landemaine.com/firefox.128×128.png
There are nice ones.
Victor, I have seen the first bug you listed, where in some cases the search bar will cover up the first letter in the field. It is annoying to me, but has never been annoying enough for me to try to figure it out. I’m using 1.0PR.
Just so you know you’re not the only one to experience it.
Minimo
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/
although it’s not based on Firefox,
but share pretty the same code for its rendering engine (Gecko-based).
the OSS side? Excuse me? How does Opera count as part of “the OSS side?”
What is the point to post Opera message inside the topic dedicated for Firefox? I would understand if it was like “Fire fox vs Opera” topic but it is not. Care to elaborate?
Press Ctrl+L to get to the address bar, not F6.
“Press Ctrl+L to get to the address bar, not F6.”
They both work.
Forgive my ignorance, but do any of you know what the windows-xpi folder is for? Do I need any of those xpi’s in it? It can be found here:
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/1.0rc1/wind…
Hi,
Jason: Yes, Ctrl-D, Ctrl-L and F6 all do the same thing (Jump to Location Address Bar). However, it’s just weird that F6 also doubles up for ‘cycle between frames’ – would this be considered a HIG/UI bug?
Anonymous (#1): Yes, thankyou, I’m not going insane =). Yeah, sometimes firefox just cuts off the first letter in the search field.
Does anybody know if #3 (grab input in background tab) is fixed in 1.0RC? (apologies if this is easy to find out – sorry, haven’t used bugzilla before;.).
Bye,
Victor
Does anybody know if #3 (grab input in background tab) is fixed in 1.0RC? (apologies if this is easy to find out – sorry, haven’t used bugzilla before;.).
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yes it has been
“Jason: Yes, Ctrl-D, Ctrl-L and F6 all do the same thing (Jump to Location Address Bar). However, it’s just weird that F6 also doubles up for ‘cycle between frames’ – would this be considered a HIG/UI bug?”
Victor: Yeah…I think you might be right about that. I never cared much for several key commands that do the same thing. It just gets confusing…particularly the double mapping of F6. I hope they plan on resolving that for 1.0. I think that given Firefox is still a technology Preview, and the robust feture set it has currently (along with the added capability of extensions), Firefox is one kick ass browser. Hopefully this minor UI bug will get squashed.