Home > Windows > Longhorn Screenshots RoundupLonghorn Screenshots Roundup Submitted by Francisco 2004-11-03 Windows 34 CommentsNeoWin posted a roundup of the available Longhorn shots. About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 34 Comments 2004-11-03 8:44 pm Okay. It looks like XP. 2004-11-03 8:49 pm windows is getting more ugly with Shorthorn 2004-11-03 9:14 pm i guess you mean the xp screenshots showing the start of the update wizzard that look like xp.the longhorn theme looks much better than the buttungly xp luna themes imho, but still far from beautifull… but that is the same with kde. 2004-11-03 9:24 pm Because their admin is familiar with linux systems and is good at securing them.Percentages of breakins as a measure of security is a fools errand. You can’t judge security by the intelligence of the admins who often use an OS; you should judge it in a controlled environment.First rule of experimentation; don’t have an uncontrollable number of variables. No one follows it, because that leaves many things that are hard to prove within computer security.The lesson is this for companies: Invest in good admins, and let them choose your security pertinent software; otherwise your security won’t be any good. 2004-11-03 9:51 pm this screenshots are orrible just like as longhorn….i mean GNOME 2.8 plus Industrial Theme it’s another world. 2004-11-03 10:07 pm This looks real nice. Although, I think Apple’s Exposé is a better solution. With lots of windows open, the new alt-tab doesn’t look like it’d cope that well. Plus, with Exposé, you can view windows of just one app if you choose which is really useful.Is it me or is MS trying to make Windows look more like KDE?I don’t really like the Windows way, it’s too cluttered. There’s lots of useless information in a lot of those screenshots that takes up a lot of screen space. 2004-11-03 10:18 pm is it just me, or is it terribly unusable to have the drop down menus at seeminlgly random places on the window? that seems totally borked to me. 2004-11-04 12:05 am This is what you guys were griping about Windows a few years ago. So linux now has insecure defaults out of the box? Sad!Err, not based on what you’ve come up with.This proves your ignorance. You have never set up a Windows machine in your life.I have – that’s why I use something else wherever possible.Google the ‘Net and you will find a plethora of documents on how to lock down a Windows box.”Not interested. I want it a secure as possible out of the box – that’s what I pay the license fees for.Anyway, as you’ve said that people should Google the net to lock-down a Windows box that means that you know that you’re totally wrong about Windows excellent security and that your quoted report is wrong! I don’t know why you people bother, I really don’t.Not suprising since Windows machines are used in so many mission critical applications. The hacker’s know this, hence they target the machines that cause the most damage.Done to death. Google search.Just because Linux is free and open-source doesn’t mean that it is automatically safe.You sound quite worried.Imagine Al-Qaeda contributing to some open-source application, and the open-source maintainers sympathize with the terrorist’s cause and allow the code to be introduced and widely distributed. Does anyone out there believe this is a safe software developement model/practice? I don’t.You are a very worried person. If you want to tell us about Linux insecurity then do so, but don’t tell us your insecurities. That just makes us feel even better .Even Microsoft has given up on very sad arguments like this.The more people who post like this and are worried about Linux, the more I feel much better. 2004-11-04 12:09 am Why bother even starting shit with JoeBlowHard?“Never argue with an idiot, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience!” 2004-11-04 12:13 am >> windows is getting more ugly with ShorthornWhen do people start to understand that these screenshots are far from what the final version will look like?There isn’t even a Beta version of Longhorn yet.. do you really think they’re going to put their artists on it when it’s not in its final stages? 2004-11-04 12:38 am Now if I wouldn’t be a certain platform with less errorsDirect Link for this comment user friendlynessSorry, I meant “wouldn’t be using”. I’m still a human being.Sorry too for not closing the bold tag – I meant to close it after the first sentence, don’t know where it went. Maybe I’m just too tired. 2004-11-04 12:42 am Come on man! WTF does Linux have to do with screenshots of Longhorn ? You just end up stiring the trolls and turning the whole thing into a freakin’ Linux vs. Windows circle jerk. All the while no one but a few actually post about the article. 2004-11-04 12:54 am as long as there’s skinning, native interface doesn’t really matter. Everyone in here is a geek, so why assume any of the people here would keep the default interface if they didn’t like it? also, i don’t see any justification to keep the side bar going. why needlessly take up 1/10th of my desktop. screen realestate is precious. 2004-11-04 2:43 am It’s starting to look like KDE! 2004-11-04 3:33 am to be honest, it looks like windows to me…like it always has.i guess theyre stuck like that, if they try a huge overhaul of the UI their userbase will have to learn something new and we’d hear all sorts of moaning.: not ment to be a insult to windows users, but everyone i know would utter the words “why have they changed everything? i dont know what to do, i want it how it was before!”: my friends/family are fairly computer illiterate : 2004-11-04 4:54 am wow, these screenshots make Longhorn look horrible. It reall looks no different than XP. The sidebar seem to add nothing more than what can be done with docked toolbars. This gives me much more reasons to move to Linux in the near future especially with beagle and gnome storage and such projects which seem way more realistic than WinFS. 2004-11-04 6:39 am I think it’s sad/pathetic how many anti-M$ fans are being irrational and make stupid shallow comments like “it looks like crap” or ” it looks like KDE”…I bet one day if u stick a M$ logo on Gentoo or Debianthese people would automatically denounce it with their preconception.I am not saying I support Microsoft,but if you look at the Windows XP itself,I think it’s the best OS available today for average joe.if anything the gui of Linux is being more Windows/OS-X- like as days go by. 2004-11-04 6:57 am The first batch of build screenshots have icons and motifs tha t remind me alot of KDE/Gnome. As you progress through the screenshots it keeps more and more dopier and bloated looking interfaces. I really only see a slight change in the window decor and themes but the same menu options and wizards. Perhaps some one needs to produce some more diverse screenshots of shorthorn. 2004-11-04 7:01 am “I am not saying I support Microsoft, but if you look at the Windows XP itself, I think it’s the best OS available today for average joe.”Whaahaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahaha ha ha. ROFLMAO.(turns around and keeps on using OS X, which even his grandmother can use). 2004-11-04 7:51 am this thing is butt ugly and not even usable:there’s one screenshot showing the “new” explorer. what do my eyes see? a back-button and the word “computer” next to it. oh, “computer” is a funny word, let’s just use it again – “computer” and “computer”.and there’s this big “bar”, taking 30% of the window’s size. it will be hard to place the mouse on the file-menu. and since 99,9% of the users don’t change any preferences, they will have to live with it…see: http://www.air101.soft-welt.de/LH4074.html 2004-11-04 8:13 am I’m just wondering, what are the new features that will actually be present in Longhorn next year?As far as i know, the WinFS will not be in there. Will the 3D rendering thing be in there? What other features will be there?I mean, Tiger is gonna have the Meta Data database file system, core video and core image. What features will make Longhorn stand out against Tiger?Please, no flamewars. I’d just like to know. 2004-11-04 9:06 am Showing screenshots of an OS which may appear in at least 3 years…..wow…..soooo interesting 2004-11-04 9:15 am @dr_gonzo:3d rendering will be there. winfs might be an later update. the most important things in longhorn are the new apis, so longhorn is mainly interesting for programmers.@reznor:yes and it is soooo final, because it will ship tomorrow, right? oh come on, stop trolling and get a life. 2004-11-04 9:51 am Why does Microsoft always finds ways to discriminate against a small group of icons in their Operating Systems?In Windows XP — The icons contained in ‘Administrative Tools’ contained icons from back in the WinNT4 days while the rest of the OS icons got a face lift.Longhorn continues this blantent discriminatin:http://users.skynet.be/bk259863/longhorn/Build3683/b3683_10.htmJust look at the little ‘joystick’ in that screenshot — It’s just _not_ fair! What did ‘it’ do to Microsoft to deserve such poor representation? 2004-11-04 12:09 pm These screenshots are just placeholders for the new look Microsoft is working on. If you remember, Windows XP’s new look wasn’t revealed until late in it’s development.Look at the movies at the bottom of this page:http://www.winsupersite.com/longhorn/Thats more likely what it will look like. 2004-11-04 12:19 pm I’ve had a look at some pics of the desktop, IE, messenger et al and it seems to my like MS is a bit on the back foot here. I mean, IE actually seems to be chasing Firefox, in terms of features and usability. Seeing the desktop with it’s clothes off, so to speak, makes you realies that, right now at least, it’s got nothing on KDE or Gnome. Perhaps things will change but so far I don’t feel like I’m depriving myself by sticking with an open source OS. Microsoft’s billions ought to be doing better than this. 2004-11-04 12:48 pm I could find the windows desktop good if they would use more than one virtual desktop (like almost everywhere else). But till now no decent solution was available, only crappy ones.Does anyone know if Longhorn will have this? 2004-11-04 12:56 pm could find the windows desktop good if they would use more than one virtual desktop (like almost everywhere else). But till now no decent solution was available, only crappy ones.Does anyone know if Longhorn will have this?There will be such a virtual desktop manager, but not in ShortHorn nor in LongHorn v1. The roadmap currently shows a virtual screen manager in LonHorn V2. Creating a virtual screen manager is a pretty complex task which takes quite a lot of development effort…🙂 2004-11-04 4:48 pm Oh the same old stuff. Once you’ve supported NT, Win2K, &XP, you quickly realize that the general look, feel and lackof brilliant ideas from microsoft fall flat. Listen to thenarrators in those sample movies and you hear they aretrying to hype up and re-market the eye-candy as newfeatures. Nice try, but the 400+ users in my organizationdon’t need more distractions from being productive, theyneed less clutter, sans-animation in the desktop, andcompatibility with non-windows systems in the world.Dragging application windows off the screen has beenavailable in XF86 forever, and transparency has beenavailable in KDE since kde 3. Another poor sight is itappears(yet again)that most configuration screens arespawned in copies of the explorer app. Might as wellbring the security holes into the balance of the systemthat was previously somewhat stable. oh boy.Microsoft is at a stalemate much like Intel. Can’t make itfaster, they add candy to the system and give it a newname. You folks should try to fix the junk that yourcompany dumped on the users already. Re-releasingthe same old O.S. under a new name is cheezy at best; andstop promising earthshattering underlying technologiesthat you can’t possibly get to work in the first place.Let’s reitterate the necessity of innovation; make theO.S. compatible with non-Windows operating systems.Hype is the centre of Longhorn. Save everyone theincompatibility issues and plethora of new securityholes and drop the ball and let us network administratorscarry on patching our windows desktops.This is reality, if you don’t agree, oh well. 2004-11-04 5:02 pm the most important things in longhorn are the new apis, so longhorn is mainly interesting for programmersEspecially when these [apis] are not compatible with current win32 api – this really makes win programmers “happy”. It’s like .NET now – it’s out for some years, but not many programmers use it, at least not for older projects. Existing (incompatible) codebase porting cost is too big. (I don’t mean “Hello, world” type applications.)Well, new api can be interesting, I agree – for new projects (or for learning new possibilities). For existing projects it is just annoying and not profitable.About screenshots – something from XP, something from KDE/Gnome, nothing special. 2004-11-04 6:07 pm well afaik, win32 api is going to stay for a while for backward compatibility. 2004-11-04 9:06 pm well afaik, win32 api is going to stay for a while for backward compatibility.Right. What’s the point in using longhorn new api then? All changes in win32 api so far were just additions to existent functions/structures/whatever, even old win16 api has same structure (of course all this win32 api isn’t example of good OS design – it’s rather review of MS coding history). Well, I hope that longhorn functionality comes as an addition – but looking at .NET, I’m not so sure. Reading Joel’s article about “API war” (was pointed here some time ago), they [MS] will break compatibility.Maybe there’s time to dig into new api’s preliminary docs:) 2004-11-04 9:26 pm Why does Microsoft always finds ways to discriminate against a small group of icons in their Operating Systems?In Windows XP — The icons contained in ‘Administrative Tools’ contained icons from back in the WinNT4 days while the rest of the OS icons got a face lift.Maybe they need more icon volunteers! 2004-11-05 5:56 am Very well said !