Bob Muglia, senior vice president of Microsoft’s Windows Server division, told Computerworld during an interview this month that role-based configuration tools “were always the most important feature set that I thought was going into” the server version of Longhorn, which is due in 2007
yeah..yeah..yeah…the most important feature set…this was number ten on his list, but 1-9 got kicked out of longhorn.
Nice they will have more wizards than any other Windows before…do we need to keep talking about it till 2007?? Boring…
Can someone explains what is the difference wiht Unix world where you can tune up to the kernel in order to improve charge repartition ?
Seems to me that they are just trying to catch with Unix strength on flexibilty. It is like the scripting infrastructure based on COM that they pushed in order to catch with shell/perl script hand written by a sysadmin for server maintenance.
The problem with this strategy is that it basically says, “at Microsoft, we’re going to add even more preset configurations to our server software to address lots of common situations.”
But this is like having twelve preset buttons on your car radio rather than five, but still no way to change to any given station.
What happens when someone wants to configure their server to do something that’s not on that list? They either have to go in and configure manually, which might be even more difficult than before, or they can buy the latest and greatest version of the server software that includes fourteen presets.
“By 2007 Linux will be rock solid. And OS X is already way better than XP and the future Longhorn.”
But you are fogetting the mass’. They will buy what is familiar or cheaper vs what is technically superior.
did this last week with 2k3’s “server role” and partimage.
what innovation from microsoft!!
Microsoft isn’t obliged to innovate. They are, however, obliged to keep the register ringing.
But you are fogetting the mass’. They will buy what is familiar or cheaper vs what is technically superior
The Masses generally don’t run servers….but assuming the masses are going for familiarity and cheapness in general, then they would split half windows half linux wouldn’t they…I mean windows certainly is not cheaper then Linux. As for familiarity this is why we need more crossplatform high quality apps like open office, firefox/mozilla, gaim, apache….the masses don’t care what OS tehy run, just as long as the apps are the same and it’s not slow or crashing.
oh my god I hate wizards. Wizards take the control out of the user’s hands. they make the user feel like they are being used by the computer, not that they are using a computer.
MS doe snot want to focus on making a good settings applet, that is why they have wizards everywhere.
… standby for a componentised license model. Buy a bare server license (perhaps with proc options) and buy additional licenses for what you want it to do, File & Print, IIS, WUS. It’s been heading this way with Terminal Services already.
I remember another story about the same features.
Is this a subliminal ad?
18 months ago, Longhorn’s BIG new feature was WinFS….. dropped since.
9 months ago, it was a new GUI…. which errr… in fact…it can be implemented with Win XP today.
Now it’s a set of wizard…. (yawns).
And tomorrow, they will claim a breakthrough when they will offer the Start button in pink !
They keep trying to find something to add to shorthorn.
Just remove the holes and bugs!
Plus it’s vaporware anyway.
Remember Cairo!
“But you are fogetting the mass’. They will buy what is familiar or cheaper vs what is technically superior.”
Yeah the masses are happy with viruses and paying for virus software to get MS Windows to run. They don’t know any better, because you have companies like Dell or the other 95% that compete with Apple spreading mis-information about the Mac plateform
Read this: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?MicrosoftCairo
Especially the 3rd/last bullet point
They lost all options to drop, thay had to invent new ones (:it’s a long time until 2007, and M$ needs new features to drop until then:)
QUOTE:”But you are fogetting the mass’. They will buy what is familiar or cheaper vs what is technically superior
The Masses generally don’t run servers….but assuming the masses are going for familiarity and cheapness in general, then they would split half windows half linux wouldn’t they…I mean windows certainly is not cheaper then Linux. As for familiarity this is why we need more crossplatform high quality apps like open office, firefox/mozilla, gaim, apache….the masses don’t care what OS tehy run, just as long as the apps are the same and it’s not slow or crashing.QUOTE
Sorry people but what ever OS comes with the computer they buy at Dell.com or Best Buy so they do not know what the cost of the OS is, and knowing Microsoft they would sell the OS for 30 dollars en masse if Linux were to actually become a threat for the home desktop.
9 months ago, it was a new GUI…. which errr… in fact…it can be implemented with Win XP today.
Care to share how this is pulled off ?
Any of the desktop packages out there claiming to do what the DCE in longhorn does are just hacks that are not integrated with the OS.
select a role based server that is immune to virii and spyware?
No?
damn, guess, I will be sticking with Linux, then…
Thanks anyways, MS.
The long-promised long-horn will come equipped with hands
attached to the keyboard in order to massage away all that
bad carpal-tunnel syndrome that Microsoft has heard tell
about (coming to a 30GHz Ultimatium (TM) processor-based
PC soon! [real soon!]).
I’m not sure if you meant DCE as in Distributed Computing Environment or DE as in Desktop Environment.
If it’s the former – well – I’m not sure how the various Linux clustering options are categorized as ‘hacks’. I guess some of them might seem somewhat simple (not always a bad thing), but that doesn’t make them ‘hacks’. Nor do I understand how such things would be ‘integrated’ into the operating system.
If you meant the latter, then it doesn’t matter if you are referring to Windows XP or various *nix operating systems. In all cases*, the applications sit upon a common interface library that talks to the rendering layer which talks to the, kernel and graphics drivers*. My guess is that you think that somehow a GUI should be implemented in the kernel or graphics drivers, removing the ability to easily replace said layer. Such ‘integration’ could only be called bad programming.
If you were in fact referring to such things as GNOME and KDE as ‘hacks’, I would be quite interested to see how you conclude that interfaces and applications could be integrated into an operating system with deliberately creating dependencies on a particular kernel. I also fail to see how such a lack of dependencies could be considered a ‘hack’. If this is what you were referring to – perhaps you could enlighten me?
* The last three are a bit fuzzy. The exact implementation differs for each OS.
First they buy a whole anti-Spyware company instead of putting their insanely large profits towards securing code (IE) now we get to hear about how great their vap-o-ware is until 2007.
Again with this “Role” thing… Who cares? It’s not new. Install Windows Server 2k3 and the first screen when you first login asks you what “Role” you want your server to play by selecting what services to install (i.e. DNS, FTP, ISS, DFS, AD, etc..).. It just means they can package/charge the same price for for less features included..
Edward, DCE is the Desktop Compositing Engine.
don’t tell me that we will be able to do MS SSH to longhorn from remote computer
I’m not sure if you meant DCE as in Distributed Computing Environment or DE as in Desktop Environment.
Desktop Compositing Engine
If it’s the former – well – I’m not sure how the various Linux clustering options are categorized as ‘hacks’
I wasn’t talking about *nix at all. I was claiming that any package for windows that claims to do on XP what the DCE in Longhorn will do is a hack – which is true.
Ah, I was mistaken. I was not sure what you meant by DCE, so I googled for it, and Distributed Computing Environment was the first thing that turned up.
In any case, I am still not sure how implementing the Desktop Compositing Engine in XP would be a hack. Surely this is simply a matter of replacing the widgets layer with one that creates discrete Windows as layers, and adding code to the rendering layer to composite said layers? How is this a hack?