Linked by David Adams on Tue 4th Dec 2007 19:39 UTC, submitted by michuk
Talk, Rumors, X Versus Y "It may be a brave opinion but I predict that Ubuntu Linux and Windows Vista are going to be the two operating systems that will take over the largest chunk of the desktop OS market during the next couple of years. This comparison is based on my experience with both systems during the last couple of weeks on two different computers."
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RE: Can't agree witth...
by superstoned on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:09 UTC in reply to "Can't agree witth..."
superstoned
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2005-07-07

In windows, you have to install the same piece of software through a ridiculously complex procedure again and again. On linux, you install it once, and its up-to-date forever.

In windows, you just have to hope the site or person who sold you the software you installed can be trusted - there is nobody checking up on that. On linux, every piece of software you install is checked on stability and security before it entered the software repository you use, and you can be sure of this fact because each and every package is signed by its packagers personal security key.

If the writer of the software you installed on windows decides to quit, you're stuck with the current version - no bugs will ever be fixed, you will have a hard time getting your data out of the proprietary fileformats into some other app - and you will be forced to go through that pain because a newer version of windows might not run your application anymore. In linux, every person who wants to can improve and fix the application you use, and you'll never have to be without it.

So you get easier-to-maintain, fully checked and certified software you can use forever for free on linux, and you have to maintain your own, expensive, potentially dangerous software with a limited warranty on Windows. One must be pretty stubborn (or ignorant) to stay on MS, don't you think?

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RE[2]: Can't agree witth...
by rockwell on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:34 in reply to "RE: Can't agree witth..."
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

//One must be pretty stubborn (or ignorant) to stay on MS, don't you think?//

Either that, or they need to use apps that are only written for Windows, and would rather not use emulation/virtualization.

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RE[2]: Can't agree witth...
by sb56637 on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:51 in reply to "RE: Can't agree witth..."
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2006-05-11

>>In windows, you just have to hope the site or person who sold you the software you installed can be trusted - there is nobody checking up on that....If the writer of the software you installed on windows decides to quit, you're stuck with the current version - no bugs will ever be fixed, you will have a hard time getting your data out of the proprietary fileformats into some other app - and you will be forced to go through that pain because a newer version of windows might not run your application anymore.
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Not at all. I use most of the same applications on Windows as I do on Linux. To date I have not paid a single cent for any piece of software on my personal Windows machine. Openoffice, Pidgin, Gimp, etc, they'll all fare equally well on Linux and Windows in the unforeseeable future. And all three of them are currently outdated on Ubuntu Gutsy with no obvious way to upgrade.....

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RE[3]: Can't agree witth...
by RawMustard on Wed 5th Dec 2007 10:03 in reply to "RE[2]: Can't agree witth..."
RawMustard Member since:
2005-10-10

And you know what the saddest thing is? They work better in Windows - Sad but true ;)

I have been using Ubuntu since Warty as my primary desktop and one thing that has always stuck in my mind is why does the same software I use in Ubuntu and windows work better on windows? I've always blamed the writers of the software, but now I'm leaning to Linux being the problem. Firefox in particular, runs much better in Windows, why do you think that is?

Edited 2007-12-05 10:05

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RE[2]: Can't agree witth...
by sb56637 on Tue 4th Dec 2007 21:52 in reply to "RE: Can't agree witth..."
sb56637 Member since:
2006-05-11

>>In windows, you just have to hope the site or person who sold you the software you installed can be trusted - there is nobody checking up on that....If the writer of the software you installed on windows decides to quit, you're stuck with the current version - no bugs will ever be fixed, you will have a hard time getting your data out of the proprietary fileformats into some other app - and you will be forced to go through that pain because a newer version of windows might not run your application anymore.
>>>


Not at all. I use most of the same applications on Windows as I do on Linux. To date I have not paid a single cent for any piece of software on my personal Windows machine. Openoffice, Pidgin, Gimp, etc, they'll all fare equally well on Linux and Windows in the unforeseeable future. And all three of them are currently outdated on Ubuntu Gutsy with no obvious way to upgrade.....

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RE[3]: Can't agree witth...
by jaylaa on Tue 4th Dec 2007 22:08 in reply to "RE[2]: Can't agree witth..."
jaylaa Member since:
2006-01-17

I use most of the same applications on Windows as I do on Linux. To date I have not paid a single cent for any piece of software on my personal Windows machine. Openoffice, Pidgin, Gimp, etc, they'll all fare equally well on Linux and Windows in the unforeseeable future. And all three of them are currently outdated on Ubuntu Gutsy with no obvious way to upgrade.....

Yes, I feel the same way. It may be that a solution will only come once Linux is more popular. Either the makers of the software will release packages for the most popular distros at the same time as the source and Windows packages are released (Which has already started happening somewhat). Or distros will have so many people 'working' for them that updated packages will show up almost immediately after the software source is released.

Edited 2007-12-04 22:09

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RE[2]: Can't agree witth...
by antwarrior on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:26 in reply to "RE: Can't agree witth..."
antwarrior Member since:
2006-02-11

your post should have come with a warning "FUD!!!".
sorry UD Uncertainty and Doubt , but no Fear. I am sure others have jumped to shoot down certain myths and assumptions about Linux.

1." On linux, you install it once, and its up-to-date forever. "

No, it's old until your distro updates/upgrades and even then it's STILL old ! ( you have getdeb.net for Ubuntu - which can sometimes be a lifesaver, but not often )


2." On linux, every piece of software you install is checked on stability and security before it entered the software repository you use"

How might I ask, by the package maintainer? right... because that's what they do, they check the code for malicious intent... nah mate !


3. "no bugs will ever be fixed, you will have a hard time getting your data out of the proprietary fileformats into some other app"

Would you like to give examples. and if a linux coder quits, youre stuck with your data in propriety /non standard formats until someone else picks up the project, which doesn't happen very often - take a look at sf.net , vaporware central. ( e.g take graphics software , if gimp suddenly stopped, you are at the mercy of the goodwill of programmers who would want to convert your gimp project to another app ... come on!!!)

I think the worst we can do to potential users is to oversell Linux on things that it doesn't necessarily do. Linux is a good thing, but it is not the pancea for all computing woes, it never will be... it can't be ,can it?

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RE[3]: Can't agree witth...
by lemur2 on Tue 4th Dec 2007 23:49 in reply to "RE[2]: Can't agree witth..."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

No, it's old until your distro updates/upgrades and even then it's STILL old ! ( you have getdeb.net for Ubuntu - which can sometimes be a lifesaver, but not often )


Typically, software on Windows systems is far older (and updated less often) than software on Linux systems.

Even with Ubuntu, there is always "change the repositories to the newer release name, then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade". That will keep any Ubuntu system far, far "fresher" than any Windows system out there.

How might I ask, by the package maintainer? right... because that's what they do, they check the code for malicious intent... nah mate !


The mechanism is as follows:
There are the approximate equivalent of 1.5 million full-time FOSS developers working right now on open source software. They can all read all of the code and see if it contains malicious intent ... and they end up using that software themselves. Package maintainers (and many, many end users) verify that the source code that the developers are seeing and using produces the binaries that are placed into repositories ... this is auditable.

Ergo ... there is nothing malicious in any code you install from a FOSS repository. Guaranteed.

if gimp suddenly stopped, you are at the mercy of the goodwill of programmers who would want to convert your gimp project to another app


gimp does not use proprietary, closed formats. Edit your files in another raster graphics editor application if you want to ... such as krita.
http://www.koffice.org/krita/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krita

In any event ... you have the source code for gimp ... how can you be at anyone's mercy? You could get it compiled for any platform you want ... and away you go at its current capability level. There is just no way that any of your data is at anyone's mercy ... if you have the source code for the application that manipulates that data.

http://www.gimp.org/windows/

Edited 2007-12-04 23:52

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