Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 12th Dec 2007 05:56 UTC
Benchmarks A lot was said lately about the Vorbis/Theora vs h.264/AAC situation on the draft of the HTML5. As some of you know, video is my main hobby these days (I care not about operating systems anymore), so I have gain some experience on the field lately, and at the same time this has made me more demanding about video quality. Read on for a head to head test: OGG Theora/Vorbis vs MP4 h.264/AAC. Yup, with videos. And pictures.
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RE[2]: Video Quality
by Beta on Wed 12th Dec 2007 10:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Video Quality"
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You failed to see his point.

Some anal people are always going to pick the better format over the “right” format, so you and your buddies can go play in the h264 park over at and the rest of the planet who just wants to share videos of their dog falling over or the most recent happy slapping plot on sites like etc. (Not everyone can view YouTubes either, but again, that’s a format issue)

You want to share exceptionally bandwidth wasting video? Fine, just dont spoil the party for everyone who doesn’t.

PS, also nice to see the only reason you’re posting the article is because of replies on:
Nice to see OSNews being an unbiased source of information ;)

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RE[3]: Video Quality
by Eugenia on Wed 12th Dec 2007 10:45 in reply to "RE[2]: Video Quality"
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Sorry, but you are talking about of your a$$ (sorry for the language, but you ACCUSED me here).

So, the reason I wrote this article is because I had it on the back of my mind for 2 days now. I wrote a blog post about all this LONG BEFORE I got into that discussion on J5's site. My proof:

>Fine, just dont spoil the party for everyone who doesn’t.

Most people want GOOD quality. So you are in the minority my friend.

Edited 2007-12-12 10:46

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RE[4]: Video Quality
by hobgoblin on Wed 12th Dec 2007 10:53 in reply to "RE[3]: Video Quality"
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say "good enough" and we agree.

there is no such thing as good in this debate, only good enough for the use its intended for.

and this is not about streaming the latest from hollywood onto that HD tv in the living room, its about putting a already "crappy" recording onto a public page for ease of distribution.

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RE[4]: Video Quality
by Beta on Wed 12th Dec 2007 12:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Video Quality"
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I accused you of posting a blog-style rant on a news site, I feel I am correct. If you want to push your own agenda, keep it to your own site. You might want to keep the ass calling there too.
However, I shall correct the speaking-from-ones-arse comment:

Your other blog entry again repeats the same thing. You’ve said W3C has done the wrong thing which is incorrect, the spec is at the WHATWG atm. However, it cannot progress to the W3 with any technology that isn’t royalty-free, so however much you wave the h.264 flag, they can’t accept it.
If, in the discussions, they can convince whomever that the 264 baseline spec would be RFed, then we all win. Except we still might not; who’s to say another vendor wont ignore the spec, promote their format, and we’re back to the codec/browser/os wars. Lovely.

Picking a reasonable baseline codec for the video&audio tags is the best possible idea, even if we compromise marginally on quality.

"Most people want GOOD quality. So you are in the minority my friend."

YouTube isn’t good quality, it is however used by a lot of people. I am not in this category though; I am just arguing with your bullshit.

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RE[4]: Video Quality
by sbergman27 on Wed 12th Dec 2007 15:58 in reply to "RE[3]: Video Quality"
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Most people want GOOD quality. So you are in the minority my friend.

FWIW. I desire adequate quality. Something I can watch comfortably. Beyond that, it's pretty much just refinement which I would likely not notice unless I were obsessing on the quality issue. The difference is simply not that valuable to me. I strongly prefer an open standard, and the benefits that is likely to bring both now and in the future.

Of course, higher quality is an easier sell to the general internet-browsing public. It would have been nice if Ogg could have claimed a victory. Oh, well...

Edit: I should add that I am simply accepting Eugenia's conclusions as to quality, for the sake of argument, because:

1. I have not paid enough attention to notice a difference in quality between the two.

2. It's unproductive to argue about something so subjective as that.

Edited 2007-12-12 16:03

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