Linked by Amjith Ramanujam on Sun 21st Sep 2008 06:46 UTC, submitted by Rahul
Linux Greg KH, Linux kernel developer delivered a keynote in the Linux plumbing conference about the health of the ecosystem. His message was essentially that distributions that don't contribute to the ecosystem have to rely on the whims of others which is unhealthy for them. Here is an introduction the development model and some interesting statistics about the Linux kernel code. Update by TH: Rebuttals are appearing all over the web, like this one by Canonical's Matt Zimmerman ("He's refuting a claim which has, quite simply, never been made. [...] When this sort of thing happens on mailing lists, it's called trolling."), or this one by another Canonical employee, Dustin Kirkland.
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What is "Linux ecosystem"?
by irbis on Sun 21st Sep 2008 23:03 UTC
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According to Greg Kroah-Hartman any contribution to GNOME or KDE also benefits OpenSolaris so he cannot consider Linux desktop environments like GNOME to be part of his Linux ecosystem - unlike the Linux kernel or However, also (or many other things in his "Linux ecosystem") is used by Solaris and BSD too so I cannot see how it would be any more Linux-specific thing than is...

He says that he had to draw the line somewhere - but could the choice of things included in his "Linux ecosystem" have something to do with the amount of those contributions by his company vs. those of Canonical/Ubuntu, and with the fact that Ubuntu is the most popular distribution and that his employer, Novell, has been recently attacked by free software supporters (because of Novel-MS deals etc.), and that Novell therefore needs more credibility as a genuine Linux / free software supporter?

Canonical is still a small company that is not even profitable yet whereas Novell is a big old IT corporation. Of course big companies like IBM, Novell and Redhat have more resources to put into Linux kernel development. Good for them. But Canonical is doing its small part in the Linux ecosystem too, especially in the desktop environment space (that Greg Kroah-Hartman decided to drop out of his "Linux ecosystem"). However, of course all the parties could try improving their commitment, contributions and cooperation.

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RE: What is "Linux ecosystem"?
by irbis on Mon 22nd Sep 2008 00:21 in reply to "What is "Linux ecosystem"?"
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...As to - and if I remember correctly, Ubuntu was the first Debian-based distribution to use modular That work later benefited Debian too. So their work concentrated on on implementing technology rather than developing it. Probably the same still.

As a small new company that is yet to make a single dime of real profit, Canonical probably just doesn't have the resources to throw to all directions like to basic level development. If you want to develop, and even want to be paid for your work, Canonical is not the best option to look for as an employer. That is why Canonical doesn't have many developers hired. The same in Linux kernel development.

Ubuntu's (and thus Canonical's) main focus is only in distributing and building a user-friendly Debian- and Gnome-based desktop distribution, mostly build from tools developed by other people than themselves.

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RE: What is "Linux ecosystem"?
by Soulbender on Mon 22nd Sep 2008 16:32 in reply to "What is "Linux ecosystem"?"
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He says that he had to draw the line somewhere

The obvious line would of course be at the Kernel since that's the only thing that's Linux specific. Why he didn't we dont know but it does lend itself to unflattering speculation.

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