Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 19:58 UTC, submitted by FreeGamer
BeOS & Derivatives It seems like only yesterday when due to a combination of hubris, bad business decisions, and pressure from Apple and Microsoft, Be, Inc. went under, with its assets - including the BeOS - bought up by Palm, who now store it in a filing cabinet somewhere in the attic of the company's Sunnyvale headquarters. Right after Be went under, the OpenBeOS project was started; an effort to recreate the BeOS as open source under the MIT license. This turned out to be a difficult task, and many doubted the project would ever get anywhere. We're seven years down the road now, and the persistence is paying off: the first Haiku alpha is nearer than ever.
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RE: Apps needed
by bornagainenguin on Sat 25th Oct 2008 03:20 UTC in reply to "Apps needed"
bornagainenguin
Member since:
2005-08-07

chris_dk ruminated...

All I need to switch from Linux is:

* Sane bittorrent client like Transmission
* IM like Pidgin
* IRC like XChat
* Music player like Rhythmbox
* Movie player like mplayer!


I know I'm going to get modded to oblivion for this, but I can't help myself! I've gotta ask...

Why not use Transmission for your bittorrent client?

Why not use Pidgin for IM?

Why not use XChat for IRC?

Why not rock out with Rhythmbox and catch your daily dose of moveis and DVDs with mplayer?

Why do you even need to move off Linux in the first place if all your apps are running just fine there today?

Look at how difficult it has been for Linux just to get to this point, biw ask yourself how many more years will be needed to get working 3d drivers in Haiku? What about other standard hardware? Webcams? TV Cards? ETC?

I'm glad Haiku is coming along, really I am, but how much further along will Linux be by the time Haiku reaches where Linux is now?

I'm looking forward to seeing Haiku in the wild myself, would love to see the BeOS resurrected and available for every day use, but I've moved on these last seven years.

How much of the old BeOS community can Haiku really count on coming back? How many others have moved on like I did?

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[2]: Apps needed
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 25th Oct 2008 04:17 in reply to "RE: Apps needed"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Why do you even need to move off Linux in the first place if all your apps are running just fine there today?


You started with a valid point, but go on to say:

I'm glad Haiku is coming along, really I am, but how much further along will Linux be by the time Haiku reaches where Linux is now?


In terms of raw functionality? I suspect Linux will keep on progressing at its current rate. In terms of basic usability, though? On that front, there has been much, much less progress in the Linux world.

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RE[3]: Apps needed
by bornagainenguin on Sat 25th Oct 2008 05:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Apps needed"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

StephenBeDoper posted...

In terms of raw functionality? I suspect Linux will keep on progressing at its current rate. In terms of basic usability, though? On that front, there has been much, much less progress in the Linux world.


Yeah, but seven years. It took them seven years just to hit almost alpha and the main requirement for the alpha was to be compatible with ten or more year old technology. A goal they have still not completely reached! More, it isn't until the second release that Haiku expects to update the code to add functionality and catch up with the last seven years.

And all this is operating on the assumption bringing Haiku up to date will be faster than it took to be compatible with the moribund BeOS. There is no guarantee this is true. And every reason in the world (based on past releases of other software) to believe the release will take longer than anyone thinks it should.

Considering all the above, why wouldn't Linux be quite user friendly by the time Haiku is ready for prime time? Even at its current slow pace...

--bornagainpenguin

PS: I'm glad you thought my other points were valid.

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RE[2]: Apps needed
by chris_dk on Sat 25th Oct 2008 09:04 in reply to "RE: Apps needed"
chris_dk Member since:
2005-07-12



Why do you even need to move off Linux in the first place if all your apps are running just fine there today?


Because I'm getting tired of Linux and want an OS where the UI is responsive, because I'm tired of the active hostility to binary compatibility - like why should I even recompile the virtualbox driver because I've did a kernel upgrade?

Usability was never a driving force behind linux. These issues plague linux today and will always unless the developers change their ways.

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