Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 23rd Oct 2008 19:58 UTC, submitted by FreeGamer
BeOS & Derivatives It seems like only yesterday when due to a combination of hubris, bad business decisions, and pressure from Apple and Microsoft, Be, Inc. went under, with its assets - including the BeOS - bought up by Palm, who now store it in a filing cabinet somewhere in the attic of the company's Sunnyvale headquarters. Right after Be went under, the OpenBeOS project was started; an effort to recreate the BeOS as open source under the MIT license. This turned out to be a difficult task, and many doubted the project would ever get anywhere. We're seven years down the road now, and the persistence is paying off: the first Haiku alpha is nearer than ever.
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RE: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by yahya on Sun 26th Oct 2008 08:01 UTC in reply to "JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
yahya
Member since:
2007-03-29

Windows XP is getting old and I won't touch Vista, Apple's principle is my way or high way, and Ubuntu's default cursor is the wait cursor.

I for one welcome our new responsive overlord.


So what apps are you going to use on Haiku to get your work done? As much as I am attracted by the speed and simplicity Haiku offers, as much am I deterred by the fact that for close to ten years most software vendors and programmers have stopped supporting this OS.

For the moment, not even Flash can be expected to become available any time soon, given that the port of gnash to beos has been abandoned.

The last available version of GoBe productive is about ten years old and the only available version of Firefox is a 2.0.x which does not print. Well, one could also mention the absence of Java, however, after approximately ten years of trying to get sun Java ported to Beos, Java itself has so much lost its significance on the desktop, that it probably does not matter any longer. (With regard to the net, Flash has mostly taken over, however, as mentioned above, it is also unavailable on BeOS).

I just wonder which ideas exist to deal with this..

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RE[2]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by stippi on Sun 26th Oct 2008 15:28 in reply to "RE: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
stippi Member since:
2006-01-19

It's very simple actually: We hope to gain momentum. If we manage to get at least some capable developers emotionally attached to Haiku, and then those people start coding apps for Haiku, then Haiku will already be a success to most of us, I guess.

It worked for Linux much in the same way. Most Linux apps exist because someone needed to scratch a personal itch. And then it gained momentum (Linux, the particular app, whatever).

Maybe Haiku makes it easier to become emotionally attached to than Linux does. I don't know. Time will tell.

We are not starting from nothing though, that's for sure. There will be quite a few capable applications available for Haiku at the time it will finally come out. So depending on what you do with a computer, you may be able to be immediately productive. It depends. In any case, to claim you couldn't do _anything_ with Haiku is just not true. And the apps are not nearly 10 years old, that's exaggerating quite a bit.

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RE[3]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by yahya on Sun 26th Oct 2008 18:29 in reply to "RE[2]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
yahya Member since:
2007-03-29

It's very simple actually: We hope to gain momentum. If we manage to get at least some capable developers emotionally attached to Haiku, and then those people start coding apps for Haiku, then Haiku will already be a success to most of us, I guess.


I hope you will be right. However, I doubt that the GNU/Linux history can be intentionally repeated on Haiku, mostly because today GNU/Linux is already there and readily available to everyone today, and it does a reasonably good job on the desktop. So the situation is very different today from the mid 90s.

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RE[2]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ari-free on Sun 26th Oct 2008 23:57 in reply to "RE: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
ari-free Member since:
2007-01-22

well haiku isn't Beos so when you say "developers stopped supporting" you're talking about an OS that didn't even begin to go after developers!
Haiku took 7 years to get to this point. Not surprising since there's no company behind it. People get on board thinking it would take 3 years and once it reaches 4 years and still not much to play with, they give up hope and as a result it takes 7 years. ok, that's how it works with a volunteer project.

But now that Haiku almost alpha, people all of a sudden are now very interested. So don't look at the past for guidance.

After all these years there is still a company that makes money from BeOS
http://www.tunetrackersystems.com
Real professional stuff. Hopefully it will be showcased as one of the major things Haiku can do. Haiku shouldn't be just about linux ports and other small apps.

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RE[3]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!
by wowtip on Mon 27th Oct 2008 23:34 in reply to "RE[2]: JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!"
wowtip Member since:
2005-07-14

Actually I suspect there are a number of old and new developers lurking, waiting and hoping for Haiku to become a somewhat stable platform.

I would guess OSX has the greatest number of ex BeOS devs, and I could easily see some of them taking a look at Haiku, if only for nostalgias sake.

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