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Novell and Ximian Two years ago, Microsoft and Novell inked a landmark deal on patents and Linux-to-Windows interoperability. According to Microsoft and Novell, it's a deal that has shown dramatic momentum in its second year, with a triple digit percentage increase in customers for a total tally of more than 200 customers. "I was surprised at the number of over 200 customers, so I actually went back and double checked it just to make sure," Susan Heystee, General Manager for Global Strategic Alliances at Novell told InternetNews.com. "That represents over 250 percent growth in terms of the number of customers that are part of the partnership which is really great. A real positive surprise has been the great customer momentum."
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RE[4]: Good for them.
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 01:28 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Good for them."
lemur2
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2007-02-17

Okay, what about Sun's patent protection crap for OpenDocument, which they hold the patent on? Sun also has a covenant not to sue with OASIS, which is required to become a standard. Glad you do not use the OpenDocument format then. Or maybe it is a double standard and is okay as long as it is not Microsoft signing such a deal? http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/office/ipr.php


The Sun covenant not to sue (aka Sun's patent protection for OpenDocument) is a covenant not to sue anyone. No one at all will be sued, as long as they don't sue Sun. Fill your boots ... contribute code to OpenOffice if you want to, or just use it to your hearts content, and here is a guarantee that Sun won't sue you ... on the condition that you don't sue Sun.

In contrast, the Microsoft covenant not to sue is a covenant not to sue Novell or Novell's customers.

Very big difference. Huge difference. All the difference in the world. Worlds apart. Chalk and cheese.

Edited 2008-11-21 01:30 UTC

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RE[5]: Good for them.
by DrillSgt on Fri 21st Nov 2008 02:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Good for them."
DrillSgt Member since:
2005-12-02

"In contrast, the Microsoft covenant not to sue is a covenant not to sue Novell or Novell's customers."

Well, there actually is much more to it than that if you read the documents. Microsft has also pledged in those documents not to sue anyone who is a non-compensated developer, or anyone who contributes to the code used in OpenSuse. I would think that pretty much says they can't sue anyone. Personally I believe there is no difference between the 2 covenants. Of course, I have been wrong and certainly will be wrong on things to come. Who knows..I will start to worry if Microsoft does something they have never done before, which is sue someone for any type of patent infringement. I would like to point out that I despise software patents, and if they must exist, they should be subject to the same rules as patents on a physical item. Meaning schematics/blueprints must be submitted, and that is what is patented, not the idea itself. In other words, they should not exist.

http://www.microsoft.com/interop/msnovellcollab/community.mspx

EDIT: Added the link to the document.

Edited 2008-11-21 02:44 UTC

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RE[6]: Good for them.
by lemur2 on Fri 21st Nov 2008 03:15 in reply to "RE[5]: Good for them."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Microsft has also pledged in those documents not to sue anyone who is a non-compensated developer, or anyone who contributes to the code used in OpenSuse. I would think that pretty much says they can't sue anyone.


There are a lot of people who do not fit into the category of "non-compensated developer, or anyone who contributes to the code used in OpenSuse". Most of the people in the world fit outside that description, actually.

If Microsft actually meant "we won't sue anyone as long as they don't sue us" ... then why didn't they just say "we won't sue anyone as long as they don't sue us" as Sun did?

Food for thought, surely?

If Microsoft had actually said "we won't sue anyone as long as they don't sue us", just as Sun did, what would be "in it" for Novell?

If there is actually something about this deal for Novell, some real benefit to be had, where Micrsoft has said "we won't sue you, or people who contribute to your projects" ... doesn't that strongly imply that Microsoft have effectively promised that they WILL sue other parties? If not so ... as I say ... what is in it for Novell?

Personally I believe there is no difference between the 2 covenants. Of course, I have been wrong and certainly will be wrong on things to come. Who knows..I will start to worry if Microsoft does something they have never done before, which is sue someone for any type of patent infringement.


I will start to worry when Microsoft start to try to charge people for running code that Microsoft didn't actually write ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_tax#Licensing_agreements

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/bit052202.html

... oh wait.

Edited 2008-11-21 03:16 UTC

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