Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 24th Jul 2009 21:07 UTC
Windows The browser saga between Microsoft, the EU, and various browser makers just got a new chapter. We all know how the EU and Microsoft are in a legal tussle over the inclusion of Internet Explorer with Windows. Microsoft surprised everyone in June by announcing that Windows 7 would ship without Internet Explorer in Europe, a move it had hoped would silence the EU. The EU and Opera, however, were not impressed, and now Microsoft has caved in to the pressure.
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NB: Firefox
by Havin_it on Sat 25th Jul 2009 14:23 UTC
Havin_it
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2006-03-10

Just an observation to those (OP included) using Firefox as the poster-child of doing the "hard work" of gaining market-share without help from anyone. Back up a minute.

Firefox did have help, primarily from:
- Google (with a very large sack of cash)
- A ready-wrapped grassroots fanbase (courtesy of its Netscape roots)
- At the outset, it was really the only viable alternative to IE (I'm sure this can be argued against)

Any new browser startup now enters a crowded marketplace, and will have a lot more to do if it wants the support and the capital that Firefox enjoyed. How much do you suppose a full-page ad in the NY Times costs?

I'm just sayin'...

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RE: NB: Firefox
by Soulbender on Mon 27th Jul 2009 08:05 in reply to "NB: Firefox"
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2005-08-18

Any new browser startup now enters a crowded marketplace


Only Opera isn't a startup and has had plenty of time to acquire a grassroots movement and support from other big companies.
Maybe Opera just isn't good enough?

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RE[2]: NB: Firefox
by Havin_it on Mon 27th Jul 2009 11:12 in reply to "RE: NB: Firefox"
Havin_it Member since:
2006-03-10

I'm purposely not commenting on that. I simply wanted to remind a few people that Firefox isn't a valid "zero-to-hero" phenomenon as they like to paint it. As the inheritor of Netscape (the first dominant browser) it was never really a "startup".

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RE: NB: Firefox
by rajan r on Tue 28th Jul 2009 22:19 in reply to "NB: Firefox"
rajan r Member since:
2005-07-27

- Google (with a very large sack of cash)


Other browsers, particularly Opera, had the opportunity to tie in with a large company. That they did not isn't Microsoft's fault. Besides, Phoenix didn't really start off with a huge push.

- A ready-wrapped grassroots fanbase (courtesy of its Netscape roots)


It doesn't explain anything. Opera has a rabid fanbase. Netscape's fanbase didn't rub off on other Gecko-based browsers like K-Meleon and Camino (the latter had David Hyatt, a Firefox co-creator, being the lead developer of Chimera). Heck, Netscape's fanbase didn't prevent Seamonkey (and more importantly, the ill-advised Netscape 6 based on it) to flop so badly.

- At the outset, it was really the only viable alternative to IE (I'm sure this can be argued against)


I remembered when Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox was starting to gain traction, K-Meleon and Opera were faster (an important element back then in the day of slow computers and slower Internet speeds), yet Firefox won out.

Indeed, Firefox fulfilled a market need (i.e. a browser that works well and comes without an email client, an IRC client, a newsreader, a WYSIWYG HTML editor, etc.). But it doesn't mean that Firefox was neccesarily the only browser capable of doing so.

Any new browser startup now enters a crowded marketplace, and will have a lot more to do if it wants the support and the capital that Firefox enjoyed. How much do you suppose a full-page ad in the NY Times costs?

I'm just sayin'...


Considering any ballot list Microsoft is proposing will limit participation to a finite number of participants, how exactly will *this* make it easier for new browsers to be a market success? Firefox may never have took off if Microsoft came up with this earlier on (make users choose between IE, Netscape and Opera, users will never search for other options).

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