Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th May 2010 13:48 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris If there's one Linux company that has seen lots of ups and downs it's the Paris-based Mandriva S.A. They have a great distribution, but as a company, they've always been on shaky grounds. First a rumour, now confirmed: the company has put itself up for sale - which, as the community points out, isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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RE: Comment by emilsedgh
by fepede on Tue 11th May 2010 15:28 UTC in reply to "Comment by emilsedgh"
fepede
Member since:
2005-11-14

I dont think o.
As far as i can say, Red Hat, Novel and Mandriva SA has never looked for 'World Domination'. They just want to sell more support.

It just hasnt been their target.

The only company who has invested to bring linux to mainstream is Ubuntu. Thats why it succeeded more than others on this.


Actually RedHat and Novell are doing the stuff (writing/testing code). Canonical (Ubuntu) is just making marketing. Their contribution to the stuff that matters is almost equals to 0.

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RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh
by Elv13 on Tue 11th May 2010 15:50 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

0? more like -1. The new unified titlebar thing will make every Linux application inconsistant. Gnome made some effort to be consistent since few release (after being the most inconsistent UI family of all modern OS). Now, back to square one, everybody can do what the hell they think about without restriction of forced HIG. On top of that, KDE will be affected by those exotic gnome apps invading the KDE space, braking KWin and most of the KDE good effort to be consistent since KDE4.0. Many of their "idea" are making things worst. Upstart and not following LSB -at all- is an other one, it is a sysadmin nightmare, they are bringing Linux to the inconsistency of Unix under and on top of the hood.

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RE[3]: Comment by emilsedgh
by Neolander on Tue 11th May 2010 21:50 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

0? more like -1. The new unified titlebar thing will make every Linux application inconsistant. Gnome made some effort to be consistent since few release (after being the most inconsistent UI family of all modern OS). Now, back to square one, everybody can do what the hell they think about without restriction of forced HIG. On top of that, KDE will be affected by those exotic gnome apps invading the KDE space, braking KWin and most of the KDE good effort to be consistent since KDE4.0. Many of their "idea" are making things worst. Upstart and not following LSB -at all- is an other one, it is a sysadmin nightmare, they are bringing Linux to the inconsistency of Unix under and on top of the hood.

No, 0. I'd add
+1 for hardware support (especially when it comes to actually testing proprietary graphic drivers, instead of pushing buggy latest releases)
+1 for good repositories (stolen from debian but hey ! Does it really matter ?)
-1 for buggy releases
They contribute to the linux world by making a debian release that's actually usable by normal computer users without sysadmin help. That has some value.

For those looking for Mandriva alternatives, you might want to have a look at Pardus ( http://www.pardus.org.tr/eng ). It's still a young project, but they're going forward at a fast pace and have a solid distro with good attention to details which matter (like first time in a while I see a good and integrated KDE 4 experience, and a lot of control center-like applets put in kde control center).

Edited 2010-05-11 21:58 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh
by emilsedgh on Tue 11th May 2010 15:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
emilsedgh Member since:
2007-06-21

I know that. Im not saying who contributes more.
Red Hat contributes a lot. But the company never tries seriousely to get some desktop market share.

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RE[3]: Comment by emilsedgh
by fepede on Tue 11th May 2010 19:02 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh"
fepede Member since:
2005-11-14

I know that. Im not saying who contributes more.
Red Hat contributes a lot. But the company never tries seriousely to get some desktop market share.


well, they stated clearly that they're not interested in the Desktop because they don't see any revenue opportunity in that market.

Or, at least, this was their position a few years ago. Apparently they haven't changed that much.

http://press.redhat.com/2008/04/16/whats-going-on-with-red-hat-desk...

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RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh
by Savior on Tue 11th May 2010 16:54 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
Savior Member since:
2006-09-02

Canonical (Ubuntu) is just making marketing. Their contribution to the stuff that matters is almost equals to 0.


Except that in today's world, it is mostly the marketing that matters. If people are not aware of your product, if you don't have enough user base, how do you expect progress? More users bring more developers, more mindshare, more business opportunities, and so on. And Ubuntu has contributed hugely in this regard.

That is not to say I would not welcome more code contribution, more love for Kubuntu, etc. But dismissing their role as a catalyst for Linux acceptance is just pure ignorance.

As for the topic: I hope everything goes well and Mandriva (or should I say Mandragora? See, we are almost back at the beginning ;) ) remains what it is now: a nice Linux distro.

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RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh
by REM2000 on Tue 11th May 2010 19:51 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

i think marketing is a really important part of pushing linux out into the masses. Word of mouth works only so far, the constant marketing is working as more and more people are hearing and trying linux.

Although not contributing as much to the code itself, i think the marketing they do is invaluable to Linux as a whole, in getting linux to be accepted in the mainstream and getting people to talk about linux.

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RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh
by earksiinni on Tue 11th May 2010 23:21 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
earksiinni Member since:
2009-03-27

Actually RedHat and Novell are doing the stuff (writing/testing code). Canonical (Ubuntu) is just making marketing. Their contribution to the stuff that matters is almost equals to 0.


Sorry, but it's precisely this kind of thing that keeps Linux behind. Marketing doesn't matter? Really? Are we really still at that level?

If Linux had the same kind of marketing presence in corporations that Microsoft has (including their training programs, vendor agreements, executive giveaways and all-inclusive vacations), Linux would be on every desktop within a decade. Then, those tiny niggling problems that we geeks spill blood for (e.g., the absurd Ubuntu window button debate that had more ideological fire than a gang of jihadis at an American town-hall meeting on health care reform) and that we keep stupidly blaming for preventing the advent of "The Year of the Linux Desktop" would dissipate. There would be a flood of corporate interest in GNOME and KDE, and all those issues would get ironed out.

Remember, Windows had always been crap until fairly recently, and yet their marketing prowess led to a very real dominance among the only thing that ultimately matters in the computer world: hardware vendors. The role of marketing is subtle, and few would claim that people choose Microsoft because of their advertising campaigns or user interface design (Windows 7 being the exception, only because of a grassroots loss of faith after Vista and increased competition from Apple). But people do "choose" Windows when it's the only realistic option, and it's the only realistic option only when the people who make your hardware (not to mention your software) have been convinced and cajoled into supporting only Redmond's OS.

Kernel developers have done an admirable job at writing their own drivers from scratch, but until hardware manufacturers start making quality drivers en masse for Linux, open source will always be playing a defensive game. It would be interesting to see Linus Torvalds walk into AMD's boardroom and invite them to dinner and drinks to discuss their lousy proprietary drivers, or to see Richard Stallman talk in Mandarin to some Chinese IC factory foreman to convince him that he and his workers will earn more when his employer starts doing contract work for hardware companies that have open source drivers. Same situation applies to software. That's real marketing, the kind that the big boys engage in, the kind that locks corporations into a single platform and gets stuff done.

Software development is an ecosystem that depends on many critical processes and all of them feed into each other. I might also give Ubuntu a 0, but only because their efforts have not gone far enough. I commend what they have done with the desktop, but that has nothing to do with marketing, of which I see almost nil, save for Red Hat and Novell. Like everyone else, I condemn Ubuntu for not uploading patches upstream, giving back to the broader community, etc., but in the end that may be a comparatively smaller piece of the puzzle than we often claim it is.

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by Manish on Wed 12th May 2010 05:45 in reply to "RE: Comment by emilsedgh"
RE[3]: Comment by emilsedgh
by spiderman on Wed 12th May 2010 07:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by emilsedgh"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23


Ubuntu is the only one which focuses on desktop Linux. Secondly, your comments shouts ignorance.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! His comment shouts ignorance? Read yours man! Do you even know there are other distros? Have you ever tried something else? Ubuntu is a Linux distribution among many others. Mandriva is another one and to say that it doesn't focus on the desktop is just plain ignorant.

Edited 2010-05-12 07:34 UTC

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