Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 16th May 2010 12:52 UTC, submitted by mrsteveman1
Internet & Networking Mozilla, sticking to its ideals of the open web, decided long ago that support for the patent-encumbered H264 codec would not be included in any of its products. Not only is H264 wholly incompatible with the open web and Free software, it is also incredibly expensive. Mozilla could use one of the open source implementations, but those are not licensed, and the MPEG-LA has been quite clear in that it will sue those who encode or decode H264 content without a license. Software patents, however, are only valid in some parts of the world, so an enterprising developer has started a project that was sure to come eventually: Firefox builds with H264 support.
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by KAMiKAZOW on Sun 16th May 2010 20:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ..."
KAMiKAZOW
Member since:
2005-07-06

MPEG-LA has threatened to go after anyone they find using an unlicensed decoder or encoder

That's a claim I've read often, but the actual MPEG-LA website says otherwise. In fact, the MPEG-LA does not even have a licensing program for users. They only have one for distributors and even distributors don't have to pay anything as long as they don't have more than 100,000 customers per year.

the legal fees to defend against the MPEG-LA would bankrupt your typical US citizen

Giving a free ride for anyone who distributes 99,999 copies per year, but suing individual users who don't have a license, because they can't even obtain one? That does not make sense.

Such a case won't even be accepted by courts.

Edited 2010-05-16 20:27 UTC

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by smitty on Sun 16th May 2010 22:08 in reply to "RE[4]: ..."
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

That's a claim I've read often, but the actual MPEG-LA website says otherwise.

Source? They've made it clear that anyone using an unlicensed implementation is breaking the law, and that they reserve the right to sue in that case.

In fact, the MPEG-LA does not even have a licensing program for users.

But that doesn't matter. They have no obligation to provide you the means to license it, and can still sue anyone who uses it without a license.

Giving a free ride for anyone who distributes 99,999 copies per year, but suing individual users who don't have a license, because they can't even obtain one? That does not make sense.

Probably not, but look at the MPAA and RIAA. They went after individual users to try to create a public example to deter others. Sometimes it's easier to go after the little users than the larger groups distributing, which can always just move their servers somewhere else.

Such a case won't even be accepted by courts.

Now that's just silly, of course it would. You're trying to look at this using common sense, but that's something that has no place in a court of law.

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by KAMiKAZOW on Mon 17th May 2010 00:09 in reply to "RE[5]: ..."
KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

"That's a claim I've read often, but the actual MPEG-LA website says otherwise.

Source?
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You've got to be kidding me. The MPEG-LA website is the source. If you're incapable to visit the site and browse through the AVC licensing terms, you have to learn to use the internet first before you post here.

They've made it clear that anyone using an unlicensed implementation is breaking the law, and that they reserve the right to sue in that case.

You asked me for a source, you don't provide one for your claim? Hilarious.

Show me an actual press release by the MPEG-LA that states that non-distributing home users are about to be sued by the MPEG-LA and show me how that would be compatible the the licensing terms.

"In fact, the MPEG-LA does not even have a licensing program for users.

But that doesn't matter. They have no obligation to provide you the means to license it, and can still sue anyone who uses it without a license.
"

You're joking, right?
AVC licensing by the MPEG-LA solely centers around distribution: distribution of content and distribution of codecs.
Both kinds of distribution have the same terms: Free of charge under 100,000 copies per year.

Let's say I wanna give my 5 friends videos of my family vacation. When I do it, I'm still way below the 100,000 limit.


look at the MPAA and RIAA.


No. They have nothing to do with this topic.


They went after individual users to try to create a public example to deter others.


Copyrights and patents are even covered by entirely different laws.

Neither MPAA nor RIAA have actual licensing terms posted on their webites that grant free distribution of less than 100,000 copies per year.


Now that's just silly

Don't confuse your state of mind with mine.

Edited 2010-05-17 00:11 UTC

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