Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 10th Aug 2010 22:00 UTC, submitted by JRepin
KDE KDE today celebrates its semi-annual release event, releasing new versions of the Plasma Desktop and Netbook workspaces, the KDE Development Platform and a large number of applications available in their 4.5.0 versions. In this release, the KDE team focused on stability and completeness of the desktop experience.
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RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness.
by WereCatf on Wed 11th Aug 2010 02:05 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Basic layout ugliness."
WereCatf
Member since:
2006-02-15

Stop comparing UI design with OS X and Windows.

It's not there. Comparing against GNOME makes sense. The rest is just absurd.


Don't be such a hell-bent fanboy. UI is UI, no matter the OS, and comparing one UI to another is perfectly valid if they are meant for similar usage situations.

While I love GNOME and Linux generally I've come to similarly love the way Win7 handles applications on the taskbar: all windows are grouped together and when you hover over the icon for the application it shows you them all neatly together as thumbnails, and you can hover over any of them and all other windows are hidden and that particular one brought forth. Sure, it could be brought to Linux too, I doubt it'd take much code to f.ex. add a Compiz plugin for such, but it's still a good, reasonable UI feature that's not yet present under Linux AFAIK.

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RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness.
by lemur2 on Wed 11th Aug 2010 02:18 in reply to "RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

I've come to similarly love the way Win7 handles applications on the taskbar: all windows are grouped together and when you hover over the icon for the application it shows you them all neatly together as thumbnails, and you can hover over any of them and all other windows are hidden and that particular one brought forth. Sure, it could be brought to Linux too, I doubt it'd take much code to f.ex. add a Compiz plugin for such, but it's still a good, reasonable UI feature that's not yet present under Linux AFAIK.


http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3864

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by WereCatf on Wed 11th Aug 2010 02:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3864

That's nowhere near the same thing.

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RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness.
by fridder on Wed 11th Aug 2010 03:29 in reply to "RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness."
fridder Member since:
2007-11-03
RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by WereCatf on Wed 11th Aug 2010 03:55 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Ah, thanks. That's more like what I meant, though does it work by hovering or does one have to click on the group to see the thumbnails?

Anyways, that's one of those features I've grown quite fond of and would love to see it become default in GNOME. Too bad I don't use KDE, otherwise I'd try that thing out.

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by panzi on Wed 11th Aug 2010 08:19 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
panzi Member since:
2006-01-22

Thanks for linking to my applet. ;)
However, it does not emulate all of the functions of the taskbar of Windows 7. There are no launchers and no extended context menu. And applications can't put widgets in the preview area. And I should really update the animation code (so it uses kinetic). Gah I'm so very much driven by whatever happens to interest me at the very moment. Currently I write (or have written) nonsense in JavaScript (optimizing brainf*** compiler and command line option parser) and don't work on Smooth Tasks.

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RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness.
by adiwibowo on Wed 11th Aug 2010 05:32 in reply to "RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness."
adiwibowo Member since:
2005-07-15

Grouping application windows together is one thing I turn off when using Win 7.
I don't like grouping. That makes switching between windows needs more mouse movements, or clicks than necessary.

If Task Manager in Plasma-Desktop insists on grouping together and can't be disabled then I will look for task manager replacement.

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by mart on Wed 11th Aug 2010 08:33 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
mart Member since:
2005-11-17

The default is to group only when the taskbar is full, however can be disabled completely

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by lemur2 on Wed 11th Aug 2010 12:25 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Grouping application windows together is one thing I turn off when using Win 7.
I don't like grouping. That makes switching between windows needs more mouse movements, or clicks than necessary.

If Task Manager in Plasma-Desktop insists on grouping together and can't be disabled then I will look for task manager replacement.


Of course it can be turned off.

http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3864

As you can see from the "Task manager Settings" dialog box shown in the above link, in the "Grouping and Sorting" section there is a pull-down labelled "Grouping:". There are three options that can be selected, the one shown is "Manually", the default is "By Program Name", and the other option is "Do Not Group".

Configure it however you like.

Enjoy.

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RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness.
by yfph on Wed 11th Aug 2010 06:07 in reply to "RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness."
yfph Member since:
2009-09-03

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Edited 2010-08-11 06:09 UTC

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v RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness.
by tyrione on Wed 11th Aug 2010 10:12 in reply to "RE[3]: Basic layout ugliness."
No it isnt Member since:
2005-11-14

The "it just works" myth in OS X is just that, a myth. I frequent a couple of non-tech sites that also have a huge contingent of Mac users, and I can assure you that they have tons of problems with getting streaming video to work (unless it uses Flash, of course, in which case it simply sucks). Video streamed upside-down or just not being shown at all.

And iTunes is a resource hog and probably the only half-decent music player for OS X. If you dislike it, well, tough luck. It's all there is.

Edit: of course, when Mac users don't get things to work, it's the world's fault (proprietary Microsoft solutions that OS X only half-assedly supports), and when it doesn't work with Linux, it's the fault of Linux. Of course everything "just works" when everything that doesn't is the fault of someone else.

Edited 2010-08-11 10:45 UTC

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nunopinheiro Member since:
2007-10-07

Well all I said was that we like every one else, we don't get it perfect, as you said we get it better than others in some areas, and worse in other areas.
I can tell you that we lack a bit in designers, we need more, and we need to coordinate them, one off my personal goals in the oxygen adventure was to create a much more friendly environment, for designers and cooperation between all elements in the creation of this desktop.

are we as good as macosx? duno, maybe not (personally I'm not a fan).
But should we give up? should we not compare what we do worse and better? I don't think so.
Many of the things we created on KDE and Gnome are now visible in mac and windows, and this is a good thing it provides a better experience to all of us.

Plus and most importantly, its a lot of fun to do, and in the end its the key factor here, we do it because we love it. and nothing cant take that away from us. Have fun.

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Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

Gosh, if you hate KDE applications so much, why do you even take part in discussions? Just go away and let KDE SC users alone and let us enjoy the software we like, you close-minded jerk.

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by WereCatf on Wed 11th Aug 2010 20:02 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Fanboy is for children. I'm over 40.

Fanboy has nothing to do with age, it's about attitude. You know, the inability of hearing critics of a subject one holds deeply important to oneself and the belief that there can't be anything better than what one uses oneself.

KDE is not on the level of OS X, period.

First of all, that's subjective. Secondly, I haven't used KDE4 much but given how horrible I find OS X I consider almost anything better than it. That's an opinion though and in no way a general truth.

What I do claim as a general truth though is that one should be able to discuss not only the strengths of one's preferred OS/DE, but to also be able to admit its deficiencies.

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by lemur2 on Thu 12th Aug 2010 06:44 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

What does Gimp, Inkscape and Scribus all have in common? They aren't native KDE designed applications.


And also, none of them are part of an integrated desktop software collection.

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RE[5]: Basic layout ugliness.
by Stephen! on Thu 12th Aug 2010 15:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Basic layout ugliness."
Stephen! Member since:
2007-11-24

KDE is not on the level of OS X, period.


But then again, KDE4 has only been around for a few years, whereas Apple has been refining OS X for the last nine years or so.

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