Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 9th Mar 2011 19:30 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Leo Apotheker has big plans. HP (relatively) new CEO wants to transform the company, and is willing to break with almost everything his predecessor Mark Hurd set out. How about webOS on every computer shipped by HP?
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Scores pretty good?
by sorpigal on Thu 10th Mar 2011 11:15 UTC
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You can "Be good" and you can "Score well" but you can't "Score good."

On topic, I wish HP the best of luck. They are a long-time Linux supporter and have pretty decent hardware, faults included. If Meego continues to go nowhere and since Android is not very normal perhaps WebOS will be the Linux-based platform of choice for everything at some point. I would be okay with this, but HP absolutely has to allow and encourage multiple vendors to adapt it and ship it. The reason Android does as well as it does is that it's cheap and adaptable and, critically, you can't fight everybody. Windows can defeat Amiga and Mac OS because these are all single-vendor systems. UNIX was a pretty big success as far as it went because it was multi-vendor. The fact that forks and incompatibilities ruined it doesn't change the fact that for a time it was pervasive and its downfall is not something that must necessarily happen to all similar products. Apple can be better than the competition all day long but it won't matter in the long run if there's only one Apple and one iPhone where there are a hundred competitors shipping Android. Microsoft succeeded with Windows in part because it ran on hardware anybody could make: it was multi-vendor. If HP wants to they can still be the foundational force behind "the mobile phone platform" via WebOS, and if they're skilled businessmen this can be parlayed into "the platform" for a large array of devices, including regular PCs. But, to do it they've got to open up the system and let it be multi-vendor. It's not good enough to make a nice phone and sell it to 5% of the market. What you want is to make a nice phone OS and have everyone else ship it to 90% of the market. There's a lot more revenue in it, down the line, then having a flash in the pan today.

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RE: Scores pretty good?
by _txf_ on Thu 10th Mar 2011 12:49 in reply to "Scores pretty good?"
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If Meego continues to go nowhere and since Android is not very normal perhaps WebOS will be the Linux-based platform of choice for everything at some point.


What do you mean Android is not normal? What is normal about webOS? The kernel and low level userspace are but the ui certainly isn't (at least for most application developers).

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RE[2]: Scores pretty good?
by sorpigal on Thu 10th Mar 2011 14:02 in reply to "RE: Scores pretty good?"
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For WebOS the UI/graphics layer is the only thing that's purely custom, whereas with Android the entirety of userspace is custom.

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RE: Scores pretty good?
by mistersoft on Thu 10th Mar 2011 19:16 in reply to "Scores pretty good?"
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...but HP absolutely has to allow and encourage multiple vendors to adapt it and ship it. The reason Android does as well as it does is that it's cheap and adaptable and, critically, you can't fight everybody...



I don't see it like that (that they have to allow other vendors in to really succeed), it's their OS, their IP and crucially -I am surmising- will remain more profitable to HP powering only their hardware especially in the medium and medium-long term. Having WebOS instances of whichever kind available to all HP PCs too, should broaden the developer appeal more than sufficiently to breathe life into the platform yet keep the profits internal.

As you also say, you can't 'fight everybody' (!) , fair point and I agree but also, you have to ask do you want to? ..I think to be a sizeable fish in the mobile pool is probably HP's aim here, and pushing some artificial and unnecessary desire to dominate the other players and push far out in front of the competition would I believe only hurt their reality. Plus, the PC side together with the phone/tablet could really give them the big, broad, stable and enticing ecosystem that they want.

It's a bit like the huge fallacy of a white elephant in modern economics ....you don't actually have to have a consistently growing economy or company to have a perfectionly functional one. Well with listed companies and all the shareholders and dealers involved , sadly you do, but academically, you certainly don't.

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RE[2]: Scores pretty good?
by sorpigal on Fri 11th Mar 2011 11:29 in reply to "RE: Scores pretty good?"
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2005-11-02

I want HP to make WebOS "the platform" for mobile computing because in the end there will be a common platform and I don't want it to be Windows again and I don't really want it to be Android. It's not that they *have* to do this to be successful, but if they don't they'll be yet-another mobile phone manufacturer and get sidelined by whatever becomes the platform in 5-10 years.

Why peddle a few phones for a modest profit when you can become the people in charge of the industry? It makes good business sense to try for it, at least, and I don't think the possible short-term impact on sales is a sufficient deterrent.

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