Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 10:06 UTC
Windows And so the smartphonification of the general purpose computer continues. This time around, though, it might actually be for the better. Microsoft has detailed two new features in Windows 8: refreshing and resetting your computer. Reinstalls will be a thing of the past.
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Slow down?
by XenonXZ on Fri 6th Jan 2012 12:56 UTC
XenonXZ
Member since:
2011-05-25

An OS shouldn't slow down, no matter how much "crap" is installed along side it.

The user model of Windows doesn't help with breaking things... it isn't as bad as it used to be thanks to UAC... but meh...

My linux install is filled to the brim with rubbish to the point where my main root partition is almost full, The install is from 2005 and it runs as fast as it did then...

Windows should be re-designed from the ground up, to sort out the user privileges and get rid of that mess called the registry... And design a better filesystem while your at it. - Then maybe, you won't need to reinstall because of it "slowing down"

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RE: Slow down?
by christian on Fri 6th Jan 2012 13:54 in reply to "Slow down?"
christian Member since:
2005-07-06

And design a better filesystem while your at it. - Then maybe, you won't need to reinstall because of it "slowing down"


I bought a newly installed WinXP laptop for friend, went through the painful process of installing all the latest windows updates (*3* reboots IIRC) and found that although the disk was only 10% full, data was all clustered in the first 20% of the disk and was badly fragmented. It's like MS learned nothing from the BSD filesystem research on UNIX from the early 80's, and thirty years later NTFS still performs like a UNIX V7 filesystem.

Once the filesystem fills up, there's no hope of even successfully defragging properly, though I did find some of the defrag utilities at sysinternals (http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/sysinternals/bb545027) very useful (page file defrag!)

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RE[2]: Slow down?
by Thom_Holwerda on Fri 6th Jan 2012 14:24 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Windows XP is 11 years old.

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Holy Hyperbole!
by Drumhellar on Fri 6th Jan 2012 18:49 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Weird. I haven't defragged in a year. I just checked, and I'm 1% fragmented.
I also frequently install/reinstall software, and add/erase large amounts of files, big and small.

I know my experience isn't universal, but my usage pattern should be the type that causes much fragmentation, yet it doesn't.

Edited 2012-01-06 18:49 UTC

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RE: Slow down?
by Neolander on Fri 6th Jan 2012 14:03 in reply to "Slow down?"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

I think part of the issue is one of developer attitude. On Linux, software doesn't tend to put itself on boot, reinvent GUI widgets for rubbish reasons, feature speech and blinking ads, etc... nearly as much as on Windows, yet nothing in current package managers prevents it to do so.

Edited 2012-01-06 14:04 UTC

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RE[2]: Slow down?
by bouhko on Fri 6th Jan 2012 15:49 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
bouhko Member since:
2010-06-24

software doesn't tend to put itself on boot

This is actually the main problem with Windows, all the crap that start at the same time as the OS for no good reason. Usually, when people call me to fix their slow computer, I just remove these apps from the boot (NOT from the computer, just the startup at boot), restart the PC and it's problem solved.,
Sometime the PC is so much f*cked up that I just go for a reinstall, but this is rare.

If Windows would prevent applications to start automatically at boot (at least without the user's consent), this would solve a lot of problems.

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RE: Slow down?
by mightshade on Sat 7th Jan 2012 03:46 in reply to "Slow down?"
mightshade Member since:
2008-11-20

... and get rid of that mess called the registry

A central configuration database actually has quite some benefits. I consider it one of the last places that need to be redesigned.

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RE[2]: Slow down?
by Alfman on Sat 7th Jan 2012 03:58 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Alfman Member since:
2011-01-28

mightshade,

"A central configuration database actually has quite some benefits. I consider it one of the last places that need to be redesigned."

You've got some nerve saying that out loud, man ;)

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RE: Slow down?
by WereCatf on Sat 7th Jan 2012 15:20 in reply to "Slow down?"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Then maybe, you won't need to reinstall because of it "slowing down"


That's just bullshit. I have hundreds of applications and games installed and I am not getting any slowdown on my Windows installation. It was true back in XP, but it hasn't been true for Vista or 7.

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RE[2]: Slow down?
by Brunis on Sat 7th Jan 2012 15:47 in reply to "RE: Slow down?"
Brunis Member since:
2005-11-01

"Then maybe, you won't need to reinstall because of it "slowing down"


That's just bullshit. I have hundreds of applications and games installed and I am not getting any slowdown on my Windows installation. It was true back in XP, but it hasn't been true for Vista or 7.
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That's just worse bullshit.. they havent replaced the registry yet, so nothing changed there.. Windows WILL kill itself slowly.. App developers may be a bit wiser in the registry universe, so the bad impact on performance is probably less than it used to be.. no credit to Microsoft i'd say ..

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