Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 18th Apr 2013 11:21 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Nokia has posted its quarterly results for the first quarter of 2013, and just like the quarters that came before, there's not a whole lot of good news in there. The rise in Lumia sales still can't even dream of making up for the sales drop in Symbian phones, and when broken down in versions, the sales figures for Windows Phone 8 Lumias in particular are very disappointing. In North America, Nokia is getting slaughtered.
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RE[6]: What would save Nokia
by Thom_Holwerda on Thu 18th Apr 2013 14:44 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: What would save Nokia"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Except... Their growth in the market that counts - smartphones - isn't steady at all. In fact, ever since the announcement of the switch to WP, it's been dropping like a brick. Right up until the WP announcement, even Symbian sales were up EVERY. SINGLE. QUARTER. After the announcement, everything collapsed.

Even if you look at just Lumia sales, there hasn't been "steady" growth at all - it's been a rollercoaster of ups and downs.

It baffles me how you can still call Nokia healthy. Had Nokia been posting these very same figures with Android, you would have sung a completely different tune, proclaiming Nokia another example of nobody being able to make money off Android.

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RE[7]: What would save Nokia
by Nelson on Thu 18th Apr 2013 14:54 in reply to "RE[6]: What would save Nokia"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

No I wouldn't. Its important to separate my enjoyment and evangelism of Windows Phone from my curiosity in how a company facing some pretty steep challenges can navigate them.

The fact that they use Windows Phone is coincidental, but I'd be just as interested if they were doing something genuinely cool with Android. Just like I'm interested in BlackBerry and Jolla and Firefox. I doubt them all to varying degree, just like I have expressed my reservations about Windows Phone -- but I am absolutely fascinated by watching these companies try to chip away at the more established players.

I also enjoy trying to predict what happens, being right, and being wrong.

You make a point that they're not moving the needle much in marketshare, but that to me is an afterthought beyond managing a transition and stabilizing their financial position.

There are two challenges for Nokia: Stay alive, and grow your shipments. Windows Phone 8 growing overall is a Microsoft problem, and I understand that Nokia can only do so much.

I still think despite this, they made the right long term bet with Windows Phone, especially given the information they had at the time. Would they be selling more with Android? Maybe if they found a creative way to buy themselves enough time to see the strategy through. I just don't think they wouldve had the financial means to get there.

Do you think Nokia in the US would've gone down better with an Android phone? I'm not entirely sure. They have a lot of work to do making their brand attractive in the US.

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RE[7]: What would save Nokia
by pandronic on Thu 18th Apr 2013 15:21 in reply to "RE[6]: What would save Nokia"
pandronic Member since:
2006-05-18

Dude, you've got something to prove, or what? From your graph, the green part is growing steadily: http://imgur.com/1XFmbUK

Yes, there was an anomaly at one point, probably some holiday season or something, but the trend is clear. How is that bad news, again?

They've just lost their cash cows and that's bad news for them, but their Windows Phone effort seems to be on the right track.

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RE[8]: What would save Nokia
by cdude on Sat 20th Apr 2013 18:09 in reply to "RE[7]: What would save Nokia"
cdude Member since:
2008-09-21

Split that green graph off into WP7 and WP8. 1/3 of all there Lumia sold in Q1 where written off and under price sold WP7. Include that and you get a waveform of ups and downs. You should also remove the first quarter from your graph or interpolate it since it wasn't a full quarter. So much for basic accuracy when splitting out single numbers of a whole diagram to make a specific point out of the original context.

Taken the very small numbers of sold units into account you yourself waiting a week to buy your new Lumia becomes visible. Also better use double double for calculations since rounding errors have huge effects on your graph.

Edited 2013-04-20 18:17 UTC

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