Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 22nd May 2013 13:38 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless "The Verge has learned that HTC's Chief Product Officer, Kouji Kodera, left the company last week. Kodera was responsible for HTC's overall product strategy, which makes the departure especially notable on the heels of the global launch of the make-or-break One. It's not just Kodera. In the past three-odd months, HTC has lost a number of employees in rapid succession." I really hope HTC pulls it together.
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RE[4]: Comment by Nelson
by Nelson on Thu 23rd May 2013 00:23 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Nelson"
Nelson
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2005-11-29

Perhaps you're conveniently forgetting that there are more android vendors other than HTC and samsung, and that HTC actually produces Windows Phones.


So? What HTC goes to show is that it is by no means a sure thing.

HTC also half heartedly produces Windows Phone and barely supports the ecosystem, as such, they are not rewarded with the market unlike Nokia.

Furthermore, a big contributor to nokia's recent (bare) profitability were financial transactions (liquidation of physical assets mainly).


Can you quantify this? How did their financial transactions (which wouldn't show up in a non-IFRS profitability score, which incidentally shows Nokia having a profit last quarter) affect their bottom line? To what extent? Is it true that had they done them they'd be profitable?

I'm not sure either of those is especially true, but you seem sure, so I guess you've done the homework on it.


Also, I'd be more careful when gloating about market share gains. Since Nokia experienced the fastest collapse in market share of any mobile handset maker in history, while transitioning to windows phone; 62% drop per year from 2010 to 2012.


What is your point? That Nokia experienced a transition? Nokia was absolutely massive, a collapse like that I don't think should be all that surprising if you consider their lack of a response for many years.

People shed Windows Mobile in droves and they are similarly defecting from BlackBerry. Troubled companies bleed marketshare. News at 11.

This isn't about that, despite you trying your best at a stupid pot shot. What it is about is the impact that Windows Phone is now starting to have on Nokia's bottom line and on their volume shipments since switching over to them.

The pretty hard to argue with point that HTC is the counter-Nokia in strategy and has had a perilous time. My entire point is to point out that Android is not a fool proof solution, it doesn't automatically transfer into sales.


So I fail to see how it can be spun as good business decision having to compete with other vendors for 4% of the market (WP's overall share), vs ducking it out with some of the same vendors for over half of the market.


When you have a market that's expanding as fast as it is, and you're bleeding customers, the first thing you do is establish a bottom for your self.

HTC can help grow that 4% into something more meaningful and mutually beneficial for all parties involved. HTC makes damn good phones. They just need the resources to keep doing it before they die.

Android wont' give them that because Google doesn't go to the extent that Microsoft does. Its nice that you claim that Windows Phone has 4% of the market and try to use that as a stick to beat WP with, but the fact of the matter is that HTC isn't selling very many phones regardless.

HTC doesn't have another try at this, the One was pretty much it. Either they do something drastic now or they'll die.


Nokia should have produced WP and Android devices, and let the market sort it out. Rather than just tie their fortunes to a single albatross around their neck (which just like android is out of their control, or perhaps even more so).


Microsoft likely would not have given them the billions of dollars had they not gone exclusively with Windows Phone.

Nokia actually has pretty deep architectural hooks into Windows Phone and has contributed in many deep ways according to them and according to Microsoft. So unless you have some information that neither of us have, what is your reasoning to doubt that?

That Nokia doesn't throw a barometer in their phone or release an annoying UI skin? I don't think they want to do that when Metro is a pretty much 1:1 match to their design ethos.

Edited 2013-05-23 00:24 UTC

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RE[5]: Comment by Nelson
by tylerdurden on Thu 23rd May 2013 00:43 in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Nelson"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

since astroturfing is not part of my earning strategies, I'll make this one quick.

Its nice that you claim that Windows Phone has 4% of the market and try to use that as a stick to beat WP with


Yeah, how dare reality and actual data to be biased against your own particular narrative... the gall! At the end of the day, nokia has to compete for 4% of market share against Samsung and HTC. I fail to see how that can be spun as being a much better business proposition than having to compete against Samsung and HTC for over 50% of the market.

And yes you can simply ignore the catastrophic collapse in market share brought by the transition to WP, while at the same time heralding overall meager market gains as the second coming of Jesus. I guess hitting rock bottom could be spun as a "triumph against gravity" in some circles.


Re nokia's financial information; we already went through some of these figures when we discussed in another thread nokia's financial health by going through their actual financial results.

Finally, just because HTC is failing does not imply nokia is doing better or that they have a better strategy by some kind of magic dichotomy.

Edited 2013-05-23 01:01 UTC

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