Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 5th Nov 2005 17:51 UTC, submitted by AdriAn Avila
Novell and Ximian Rumors circulating that Novell is going to kill off its popular Linux desktop lines are completely false. [However,] Novell is making one large strategic change. The GNOME interface is going to become the default interface on both the SLES and Novell Linux Desktop line. KDE libraries will be supplied on both, but the bulk of Novell's interface moving forward will be on GNOME. "The entire KDE graphical interface and product family will continue to be supported and delivered on OpenSuSE."
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RE[5]: Developer's POV
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 02:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Developer's POV"

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If you hit random crashes on various KDE applications then you should investigate whether its a compiler issue or not (generating broken code) and from your comment I conclude that this is the case. Try recompiling your KDE without and leet CXXFLAGS primarily -O0 -g and investigate into the backtraces. In case you might want to report to slackware (was it that distro) to throw an eye on their packages.

As for MONO. I can tell you that there are mixed feelings about MONO in the GNOME camp and even amongst the core developers. There are a few who like developing in MONO and there are even companies pushing it and even argue against using JAVA and then there are developers and companies involved into GNOME doing exactly the oposite. I will see hell freeze once MONO becomes part of GNOME. Sadly MONO is a nogo for my personal system because simply for the fact that the license issues with MONO are not clear and I don't know how the future for it looks and what Microsoft is going to say or do in the future. As long as these issues are not cleared I (and many others) are stepping away from it.

Looking at the MONOUML page and reading their HOWTO (and looking at the screenshot provided) the program looks like its in the beginnings of something. KDE's Umbrellos is regulary being worked on, don't depend on MONO and correctly integrates into KDE as a whole. It's possible to export stuff in various languages, import diagrams (xmi), you can do usecases, colaboration diagrams, class diagrams and a few other things as well such as component view and deployment diagrams. And this was already possible a few years ago. Nowadays Umbrello has received many changes and improvements. I regulary keep throwing an eye on it but my personal needs for Umbrello isn't existing anymore due the fact that my university times are over. But maybe I need it again one day in my daily work.

About the toolbar issue you described. I wasn't refering to all the buttons you got thrown to your head. I was more talking about the toolbar object as a whole.

It's one ready written object that exists inside KDE. The toolbar offers the possibility to set buttons, change the toolbar (editor), have the toolbar show up under various ways (text below icons, icons only, text only, text beside icons), then the buttons can be shown with different sizes 16x16, 24x24, 48x48 and so on. Things the GNOME derivates don't offer. That's why you see Evince as well as Epiphany coming with their own toolbar editor while other gnome applications don't offer it. That's why you see so many different types of toolbars and toolbar styles, behavior, features etc. It's not the buttons I talked about, it's the toolbar as a whole and imagine this for many other cool objects that KDE offers.

You like to throw an eye on that screenshot above.

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RE[6]: Developer's POV
by on Sun 6th Nov 2005 03:41 in reply to "RE[5]: Developer's POV"
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Im running on a slackware system. I assume that kde was compiled at the max -O2 when it comes to optimizations. -O2 is not l33t in anyway. It's stable and everything runs fine.

KDE crashes. I aint really go beyond that and blame anything but KDE. Its not that often so i dont really get on its case, but it does crash and i would expect that. In fact it was the 3.4 version that I used, and it might have been fixed in 3.4.1. who knows. Its a big project.... and I dont mind thinking that the kde developers are incapable of implementing "crash-free" code.

I mean umbrello is ick to me. Oh its better than visio, but it crashes way to often and I cant really get far with it. Prolly because I am a software designer, and I do use tools like this very often (though i stick with rational rose).

Anyways with the toolbar issue one thing is that i never saw gtk and gnome as the same thing. That screenshot doesnt really tell me anything. Having evenly sized toolbars across all apps for a DE is not a criterea for being usable, even creating a greater sense of integration. No DE provides what ur saying. There is a great deal of apps outside of the KDE packages that are created with the QT toolkit, but looks way off in size shape compared to other apps. Alot of people dont use the toolbar objects to develop their software..... and thats ok. Windows dont do it, OSX doesnt do it. Its a moot issue to me.

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