Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Aug 2013 20:47 UTC
Games

The new Nintendo 2DS system gives you all the features of the Nintendo 3DS and Nintendo 3DS XL, minus 3D viewing. And the price makes the world of Nintendo games even more accessible.

Curiously enough, the 2DS actually has only one screen - it's divided in two by the casing. The entire screen is touch-capable, but the top screen is covered by plastic so you can't touch it there. Like the Wii U's controller, this thing just looks weird and unwieldily, and while the price is nice, I doubt it will turn Nintendo's fortunes around.

Imagine a phone and/or tablet designed and built by Nintendo, with a proper integrated gamepad, capable of output to external displays, with access to Nintendo's entire back catalog of games - from the NES, through the Game Boy, SNES, Nintendo64, GameCube, DS, and Wii (if compatible with non-motion controls). Of course, new games can be published as well.

Nintendo should not be making yet another device to carry aside from your phone. They should be making a phone.

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UltraZelda64
Member since:
2006-12-05

In most games you where supposed to use the joystick and trigger with your left hand while control the rest of the actions with your right hand, however there here a few games where there where also actions mapped to the D-Pad as well as a left shoulder button, which you had to smack the controller into your leg in order to hit without moving your hands.

I don't recall playing *any* games like that, so they were probably shitty games to begin with by not-so-great third-party developers. I wouldn't blame bad game design on the system or its controller.

Reading comprehension failure much? Both are terrible designs.

Oh, I comprehended it correctly. It's just that I am in 100% complete disagreement with you. The N64 design was a nice evolution; the "original" Xbox controller was a piece of shit. No comparison, and it's insane to be lumping the two together.

If that where the case then Nintendo would have sued over the controller design, the fact is the CD addon for the SNES that the Playstation became was going to use the SNES's controller just as the SegaCD and 32X used the Genesis controller.

Sony would have likely been sued, in fact, if they would have used Nintendo's superior cross-shaped D-Pad. I believe they owned a specific patent, which Sony was able to get past by slightly modifying the design of the D-Pad and recessing it under the plastic so it takes the form of four "buttons". After all this time the patent has probably long been expired, yet Sony systems still have the same crap design. Other companies over the decades have come up with much better D-Pad designs.

What weird way do you hold the Sony controllers? Everyone I've ever seen grab it grabs it the same way, thumbs on the buttons or sticks, pointers resting between the shoulder buttons. You don't use the tips of your fingers, you roll your fingers across the bottons and you use both the end and middle portions of your thumbs to hit the buttons. Within 5 mins of playing something like MGS most people have mastered the pressure sensitive buttons so that they can hold up enemies instead of just shooting them instantly.

I hold it like I would hold the Super NES controller; sometimes with my fingers resting below the shoulder buttons because it's more comfortable, but if I need to use them I might occasionally rest them on the L2/R2 buttons. It is very uncomfortable for me to reach for the L1/R1 buttons, and I tend to hate games that make heavy use of them.

Oh, and the analog buttons... you just brought up another of my most despised features. A button should NOT be analog if you have no way to measure exactly how far it is being pressed. The Dual Shock II is the absolute *worst* controller for racing games I have ever used, period. I don't even want to think of all the times I'm holding X, thinking I'm giving it gas, but the damn thing stops accelerating at 20-40 MPH. Same with brakes. It is horribly bad.

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lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Sorry, Guilty Gear XX disagrees with you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wneMdNs6yNs

Edited 2013-08-29 12:51 UTC

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Kivada Member since:
2010-07-07

Nope, The N64 controller is, like the original Xbox and the Dreamcast controller among the wost controllers ever designed.

The only modern controller I could ever have an 8 hour gaming session on without my hands cramping up.

Best controllers Sony's, Genesis and SNES. Best handheld gaming design? Original GBA.

So it sounds like you are twitchy and impulsive, I've got nerve damage in my right hand and I have no trouble detecting how hard I'm pressing the button.

I've also never had that problem with racing games, and I played Gran Tourismo 3/4 religiously.

Your Nintendo fanboi is showing. Apologizing for their bad controller design won't get them yo give you a discount. I've posted elsewhere about my love for other Nintendo consoles, but I'm not gonna come to your side because you are butthurt abut Sony going their own way instead of making the Playstation an addon for the SNES.

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UltraZelda64 Member since:
2006-12-05

The only modern controller I could ever have an 8 hour gaming session on without my hands cramping up.

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So it sounds like you are twitchy and impulsive, I've got nerve damage in my right hand and I have no trouble detecting how hard I'm pressing the button.

It sounds like you have something else wrong with your hands if you if you can't even pull off an measly eight-hour gaming session. Hell, I can and have pulled allnighters that have extended every day of the week on practically any given system, all it takes is a game that is worthy of it. Super NES, Genesis, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox 360--yes, even the PlayStation family. Sony's controllers just happen to be the least tolerable for the long term, so certain games I never bothered with, and those long gaming sessions usually tend to be less comfortable and much less enjoyable than they could be.

But really, who cares? All this will degenerate into is a flamewar, which you have already started with the immature terms (if you can even call it that--they're not in any dictionary I've ever seen) "fanboi" and "butthurt." I will just say that not everyone is you, and not everyone needs "gorilla hands" to hold an N64 controller. That's it; I'm just saying that your claim is outrageous and bullshit. Lumping it up there with the truly worst controllers of all time is truly dumb. Quit trying to pass off bullshit (gorilla hands, original Xbox controller references) as facts.

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henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

Nope, [...] and the Dreamcast controller among the wo[r]st controllers ever designed.


um... no. The Dreamcast controller is not the worst controller, nor even among them. I absolutely love it and would use it over the pokey Sony controllers all day long (and I do...)

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