Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Oct 2013 20:54 UTC
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Samsung's Galaxy Gear television advertisement bears a resemblance to the original iPhone advertisement.

This made me smile, though:

There is just no shame - or original ideas - in this company at all.

Yeah! Except for display technology. Oh, and except for microprocessor design. And, of course, they are a driving force in memory chip design. Well, yeah, except for all those things from which virtually every computer product today benefits - Apple or otherwise - Samsung has absolutely no innovative ideas at all. What have the Romans done for us, indeed.

I don't care about Samsung any more than I care about other companies, but to shove the company's contributions to technology aside just because you lack the capacity to grasp the kind of more bare metal innovation they do just makes you look like an idiot.

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RE[2]: Comment by viton
by koffie on Tue 8th Oct 2013 16:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by viton"
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2010-05-06

Sorry, simply not true.

Apple has an ARM architectural licence, meaning they can build CPU's with the ARM instruction set. It is the first-one to have a 64bit ARM cpu in production. So yes they use the ARM instruction set, and probably a lot of IP of ARM and others (the most important being the GPU), but they do have their own CPU design. Not an ARM designed core.

Samsung on the other hand has an ARM core license, which means they can design and produce a chip built from ARM "building blocks". Sure - some serious know-how is still needed for this, but this is nothing compared to what you need to design a CPU from ground up.

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RE[3]: Comment by viton
by JAlexoid on Wed 9th Oct 2013 09:57 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by viton"
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2009-05-19

Considering what companies they acquired the time they had, their cores are tweaks of the ARM cores. Consider this - it takes Intel 2 years to build a new generation of cores(tick out of tick-tock) and Apple can't even come close to the amount that Intel spends on R&D in that area...
Both Chipworks and AnadTech only commented that the cores are manually laid out and there is little evidence that the actual processing blocks were custom designed.

Edited 2013-10-09 10:01 UTC

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RE[4]: Comment by viton
by jared_wilkes on Wed 9th Oct 2013 19:22 in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by viton"
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2011-04-25

No, that is not what Anand says. Anand is very clear in saying that Swift cores performed much better than any off the shelf ARM cores at similar or greater clock rates, and he has given Apple much kudos for their design. He has noted even greater performance from the A7 cores and has theorized that their design is likely largely responsible for the observed 2x performance in some case (rather than 64 bitness, or larger caches, or any other changes which may account for some improvement but not the full extent of improvements he's seeing in benchmarks).

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