Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Nov 2013 09:01 UTC

Dieter Bohn, for The Verge:

So for a long time now, we've found ourselves asking the two questions again and again: what exactly is Google trying to accomplish with the Nexus program and what's the strategy with these Android updates? We sat down with three of the four main leaders of the Android team to ask those questions yet again. "Nexus stands for high specs at a really fair price," says Hiroshi Lockheimer, vice president of engineering for Android. "The other thing is the updates come directly from Google. Those are the attributes of Nexus that I think people have really enjoyed and we're not changing that strategy."

Yet while Google's answers to these two questions have been remarkably consistent over the past couple of years (and remains consistent today), the Nexus 5 and KitKat themselves seem to give us a different answer than their predecessors. The hardware and the software tell a more ambitious story: older Nexus devices were Android phones, but the Nexus 5 is the first true Google phone.

Something is happening in the Android world.

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If you wanted a "nice" laptop and had the money in hand, there were NO Windows machines available. You HAD to buy an Apple, even if you didn't want.

That's not fully true. While it applies to most OEMs there was always the choice to buy a Sony Vaio.

Given the choice of Vaio vs. MacBook for a Linux system I always went for a Vaio. Even with Sony's tendency to go for some proprietary components quite like Apple, they were still way more compatible.

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Morgan Member since:

Really? I've had pretty much the opposite experience with Sony's Vaio line over the years. I've only bought them second-hand, but that didn't change what was compatible and what wasn't. The last two Vaio laptops I had were full of bloatware in the default Windows install (VGN-CS215J had over 4GiB of Sony crapware alone, not to mention third party BS), and when I wiped and put GNU/Linux on them, all of the major stuff like GPU and wifi were supported. But, things like the trackpad, the proprietary "control strip" at the top of the keyboard, the MS reader on one, and the ACPI features on another, were all broken. I managed to hunt around the 'net and fix all but the trackpad and control strip issues, but it was a hell of a lot of work.

In contrast, since the switch to Intel, Apple machines have become much better supported under GNU/Linux. I don't have as much first hand experience as I do with Sony machines, but it's my understanding that apart from Retina display issues most Apple machines work 100% out of the box with GNU/Linux, and with drivers from Apple, they work 100% with Windows. There's a reason Linus Torvalds chose Apple hardware to run his own OS on.

As for "nice" Windows laptops, what about ThinkPads? They aren't all good looking, unless you like the stark industrial look -- I do -- but they have almost always been rock solid, featureful, and lacking of bloatware. They also tend to be highly compatible with GNU/Linux as well as the BSDs.

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PieterGen Member since:

Yeah, I too bought a Thinkpad for that reason. My next one will probably be an Apple laptop (I'll put Linux on it of course).

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Yes. My previous laptop was a Vaio SZ1XP, my current one is a Vaio Z2.Both basically all things working out of the box using a standard Debian install.

The only thing I know of to not work is the fingerprint reader on the SZ1XP, haven't tried on the new one.

But it could of course depend on what kind of category the models fall into. My laptops are both high end "business" category.
Since I was considering a MacBook when I bought the older model that didn't really make any difference in price though.

The last two Vaio laptops I had were full of bloatware in the default Windows install (VGN-CS215J had over 4GiB of Sony crapware alone, not to mention third party BS)

True, but that didn't matter for me since I am running Linux anyway.
However, the system restore utility is surprisingly good, it has an option to restore just the base system, without any 3rd party crap.

As for "nice" Windows laptops, what about ThinkPads?

Right. I was interpreting "nice" as referring to design. ThinkPads are always part of the group of final choices when shopping for a new laptop.

I was just disagreeing with the statement that you had no other option other than buying a Mac. Seems you are disagreeing also.

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