Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 24th Mar 2016 23:04 UTC, submitted by JPisini
KDE

Now here's a blast from the (somewhat recent) past: the Trinity Desktop Environment. TDE is a fork of the last available release of the KDE 3.x series, coming into existence in 2008. The project's been under steady development ever since, and the most recent release is R14.0.3. since this is just a maintenance release, it might be more fitting to look at the release notes for R14.0.0, the base release, from december 2014.

Unlike previous releases TDE R14.0.0 has been in development for over two years. This extended development period has allowed us to create a better, more stable and more feature-rich product than previous TDE releases. R14 is brimming with new features, such as a new hardware manager based on udev (HAL is no longer required), full network-manager 0.9 support, a brand new compositor (compton), built-in threading support, and much more!

Honestly, I have no idea how many people still see value in a maintained KDE 3.x desktop, but since I've personally always been a fan of KDE 3 (KDE 4 never really managed to convince me), I'm glad his project is still around offering the option for those among us who want to use KDE 3.

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boudewijn
Member since:
2006-03-05

"I've used Linux since 1997"

Piker, I've used Linux since 1993.

"and used all the desktop environments over that time."

I doubt that, very much. Did you use Great?

"KDE3 is, hands down, the most polished, usable, and stable of the lot."

Nope, that's just the rose-tinted glasses gassing.

"Everything since then has been a regression."

It's nice to have an opinion, but you're wrong.

"KDE4 (and 5) might be superficially prettier,"

That's not the main difference, the main difference is how the KDE libraries have become easier and better to use to develop useful applications with each generation.

"but KDE3 is faster, and more usable."

But less functional.

"Later releases have focussed upon form over function, and have lost something of what it means to be a *desktop*."

No, they didn't. That's just your prejudice, sorry, I mean, confirmation bias speaking.

"The applications for KDE3 vs later releases also follow the same pattern."

No, they don't. But, hey, have fun painting with Krita 1.6 -- don't look at what's going to be in 3.0, just stay with 1.6! There's a reason I asked the Trinity people to rename their Krita 1.6 fork to something else.

"I was a heavy user of Amarok and other applications at this time; later KDE4 and 5 releases are unusably awful."

I guess that thinking that makes you feel better about yourself. You never contributed anything, but, hey, if you complain, it'll show the world you're just so much smarter, so much more knowledgeable than the people doing the work! No need to be part of the community, you were a _heavy_ user, and therefore a guy whose opinion carries weight.

Pity it doesn't work that way...

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rleigh Member since:
2014-11-15

"Piker"? Not exactly the mature response I'd expect here.

I've used all the major environments extensively, and most of the minor ones. Obviously not every niche little thing. Who would be so obtuse as to read that into what I wrote?

It's not really "rose-tinted glasses" when you can fire up this stuff on contemporary hardware and directly compare it with the current equivalents. Sure, individual bits like Krita might be better, but overall it's regressed badly. I use and occasionally write desktop applications, and from the point of view of a user wanting a productive environment, KDE3 is vastly better, though some parts are naturally a bit dated. Plasma is slow, often due to deliberate animation delay which interferes with your use of the system, and in KDE5 it's dialled up a notch further. That's specifically plasma, not plain Qt5 gui/widgets, which are fine as standalone libraries.

As for not contributing, I've been developing free software for over 17 years, was an active Debian developer for over a decade, and have contributed to desktop-related stuff during this time (though it's not my primary focus). You'll find GTK+ work from me back in the earlier 2.x days if you look, for example, though nowadays Qt5 is what I mainly work with. I have dedicated a vast amount of my personal and professional life to contributing to free software development across a wide range of projects.

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tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

ignore, I replied to the wrong post.

Edited 2016-03-26 08:04 UTC

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sergio Member since:
2005-07-06


"but KDE3 is faster, and more usable."

But less functional.


And who really need more functionality than KDE3??

Let me tell you who: Linux nerds.

The same people who buried any chance of Linux desktop success with their fanatical "more functionality" mantra. Everybody knew KDE4 was shit, but they insisted with the functionality and the re-write the world attitude.

Paraphrasing to Borges: "Linux nerds are not good or bad, they are uncorrectable".

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