Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 4th Sep 2017 22:16 UTC
Oracle and SUN

Remember, back in December 2016, when there were rumours Oracle was killing Solaris? And how a month later, Solaris effectively switched to maintenance mode, and then to a "continuous deliver model"?

The news from the ex-Sun community jungle drums is that the January rumours were true and Oracle laid off the core talent of the Solaris and SPARC teams on Friday. That surely has to mean a maintenance-only future for the product range, especially with Solaris 12 cancelled. A classic Oracle "silent EOL", no matter what they claim.

With the hardware deprecated, my guess is that's the last of the Sun assets Oracle acquired written off. Just how good were Oracle's decisions on buying Sun?

Sun's Solaris is dead.

Bryan Cantrill on this news (this Bryan Cantrill):

As had been rumored for a while, Oracle effectively killed Solaris on Friday. When I first saw this, I had assumed that this was merely a deep cut, but in talking to Solaris engineers still at Oracle, it is clearly much more than that. It is a cut so deep as to be fatal: the core Solaris engineering organization lost on the order of 90% of its people, including essentially all management.


Judging merely by its tombstone, the life of Solaris can be viewed as tragic: born out of wedlock between Sun and AT&T and dying at the hands of a remorseless corporate sociopath a quarter century later. And even that may be overstating its longevity: Solaris may not have been truly born until it was made open source, and - certainly to me, anyway - it died the moment it was again made proprietary. But in that shorter life, Solaris achieved the singular: immortality for its revolutionary technologies. So while we can mourn the loss of the proprietary embodiment of Solaris (and we can certainly lament the coarse way in which its technologists were treated!), we can rejoice in the eternal life of its technologies - in illumos and beyond!

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Comment by kurkosdr
by kurkosdr on Wed 6th Sep 2017 09:37 UTC
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Just how good were Oracle's decisions on buying Sun?

They got MySQL, which is probably all they ever wanted.

Yes, I know, the community will fork and fork, but they cannot get back the paid developers from Sun that MySQL had.

You must know that database software is the ultimate lock-in, because no serious business will risk all the micro-optimizations they have done to their queries (some of them accomplished with proprietary extensions to standard SQL), and you must also know that MySQL had reached a level it was seriously threatening Oracle's database software. Taking the paid devs from MySQL was a way to make MySQL stop evolving into a bigger threat to Oracle's database software.

Everything else was a distraction. Nobody really believed that some SPARC CPUs with an inefficient ISA (duplication of registers due to register windows, sorry RISC fans,RISC doesn't automatically mean good ISA) and stuck on an old 40nm node process could ever be a threat to AMD, or that Solaris could beat RHEL in anything.

Edited 2017-09-06 09:40 UTC

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by moltonel on Wed 6th Sep 2017 15:34 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
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MariaDB is binary-compatible with MySQL, and while no DB migration should be taken lightly, the MySQL -> MariaDB one is likely to be completely transparent.

MariaDB attracted most of the original talent (paid and voluntary) behind MySQL. This is a trend that started before Oracle bought Sun, and dramatically accelerated once Oracle owned MySQL. The company behind MariaDB seems to be growing healthily, as are the contributions from the volunteer community.

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by tylerdurden on Wed 6th Sep 2017 16:54 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
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They bought SUN for Java. Period.

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RE: Comment by kurkosdr
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Wed 6th Sep 2017 17:09 in reply to "Comment by kurkosdr"
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Eh, Mysql wasn't really an Oracle Competitor. It sorta was kinda trying for a while, but discovered replicating Oracle is really hard ( see the 5.0 features foreign keys, triggers, stored procedures, views, etc). While at the same time Mysql was really good at things Oracle was not ( speeeed!) .

No sane person would run something like peoplesoft/SAP on mysql. And your hipster social media/tech companies wouldn't touch Oracle with a fifty foot pole.


What many people forget is that postgres development was being supported by SUN. Postgres was much more of an oracle alternative, especially the commercial offspin Enterprise Db. So I think you have the right motivation, but the wrong victim.

Edited 2017-09-06 17:11 UTC

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