Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 6th Jul 2005 20:32 UTC
Windows Bink.nu has some interesting information on Windows Server 2003 Compute Cluster Edition. It is 64bit only, and consists of 2 CD's. They also posted a set of screenshots.
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RE: MPlayer and MSN
by Milo_Hoffman on Thu 7th Jul 2005 00:42 UTC
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>Oh... and am I the only one to find the idea of a cluster server with MPlayer and MSN ludicrous?


They do this on all their "Server" products.


The fact is that Windows is just a DESKTOP PC operating system attempting to be shoehorned into a server role. In all my years of working with Windows Server products, I have always been struck by the sheer baffling amount of things that make me think "THIS WAS designed for a DESKTOP, by DESKTOP programmers".

Many of the problems with using Windows as a server can be traced back to the fact that its just an overblown desktop OS that was not written to be a server from the start (eg requires a GUI to be running at all times consuming huge amounts of cpu/memory for no reason when locked in a closet, the fact that it just had a completely shitty scripting shell etc). Windows just screams over and over again, Im a DESKTOP, Im a DESKTOP, Im a DESKTOP. This was very early Windows NT Server which was a total joke, and to this day I still can't believe people actually used that crapola for a server as much as we did. Many other things in Microsofts server OS's scream desktop or at best they screem as being designed for a 10person office, stuff like netbios networking, and WINS just were a joke when trying to scale them in the enterprise.



Compare that to Linux/Nix where you have an operating system designed to be a server and now people are trying to make it a desktop...sort of the opposite of the Windows situation.

Quite interesting how these 2 designs are both coming from totally opposite ends of the world and are now competing in the middle.

Which one will win out in the end?? The desktop who grew up to be a server, or the server who learned how to be a desktop?

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RE[2]: MPlayer and MSN
by TBPrince on Thu 7th Jul 2005 01:05 in reply to "RE: MPlayer and MSN"
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2005-07-06

Actually, Windows is meant to be more than just a server (or a desktop). Windows is meant to be a "platform", where platform means that you expect Windows to be (somewhat) Windows everywhere the "Windows" word is involved.

This is very different than Unix/Linux concept. As you can see, there are many versions of Windows, each of which has different goals but it's (where possible) more or less the same.

The fact that you can have the same components on a Server or Desktop version (or Mobile or Tablet PC version) of your Windows means that you can develop your software while being sure that any Windows version will be able to run it.

That's the key value of Windows itself and one of the biggest reasons why Windows succeded.

Also, never do the mistake to consider MSN as only a messenger program or MediaPlayer as only a media player. Microsoft has always been so smart to provide to developers access to the very same technologies they had implemented.

By having MSN messenger on that machine or WMP, a developer is sure that basic libraries are there and can be consumed. In Windows, MS software rarely is simply an "application" but rather everything is connected. Most MS softwares allow developers to use or interface (Office, WMP, down to Kodak ActiveX components).

While you could consider that a bad approach, just notice that Apple is doing the very SAME thing with Tiger, by introducing new system-wide technologies available to developers.

The "coherent platform" concept is why MS was able to keep their company united when they lost against DOJ and why they tried to oppose when EU anti-trust commission forced them to remove WMP from WindowsXP. It's a value for users and developers.

Regards.

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RE[3]: MPlayer and MSN
by on Thu 7th Jul 2005 13:54 in reply to "RE[2]: MPlayer and MSN"
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You know there is a difference in having the libraries there to 'be consumed' than having the actual program on there. I agree with the comments by others that there is no reason for a server operating system to have MSN messenger and Windows Media Player. Since these are both client software and not server software, they're useless. Maybe if there were the base libraries for WMP so that you could start a streaming service, then that'd be one thing. But MSN Messenger being installed is just asking for trouble.

And Microsoft complained so much about WMP being pulled out by the EU because they want to try to spread their crappy proprietary media formats on everyone.

MSN messenger by the way, is the first thing to go on any XP I install, especially the desktop.

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