Home > SuSE, openSUSE > SUSE LINUX 9.3 Released to MirrorsSUSE LINUX 9.3 Released to Mirrors Submitted by Eugenia 2005-06-27 SuSE, openSUSE 53 CommentsSome nine weeks after the official release of SUSE LINUX 9.3, an installable DVD image of the product has been released to SUSE’s download mirrors, reports Distrowatch.About The Author Adam ScheinbergVice President, Information Technology at Massey Services, Inc • President, Board Member, The Mockingbird Foundation • All Things Web, Umphrey’s McGee • Web Developer • Father • Foodie • Music Snob • OS enthusiastFollow me on Twitter @sethadam1 53 Comments 2005-06-27 12:26 pm Now if only you could recover an ftp installation after your computer crashs in the middle of installing. 2005-06-27 12:31 pm Now if only you could recover an ftp installation after your computer crashs in the middle of installing.Ummmmm, they’re talking about an installation DVD……as in having all of the packages necessary for installation on a DVD….as in not having to connect to an FTP server. 2005-06-27 12:48 pm And for those of us who do not have a DVD burner? How about a 9.3 Personal ISO like the 9.1 version? 2005-06-27 12:59 pm Tough luck, I am afraid.However you can download the 5 CDs from here:http://www.interknet.net/bt/?torrent=suse93You can also get the odd 1200 missing MB either with APT (component “base”) or by adding a FTP source to YaST. 2005-06-27 1:31 pm > And for those of us who do not have a DVD burner?They must download cd version 😉SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD1.iso 5842cee531462cabd495b1b9939965d4SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD2.iso 43f7c0f15e2f3abf2704986c01fdcf90SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD3.iso b41d051c8cc6d955f4755f039b19da03SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD4.iso 5519222959efb69184474c5934d33ec3SUSE-9.3-Prof-i386-CD5.iso 488467804038d955a8f47735fa60aaff 2005-06-27 1:40 pm You can also get the odd 1200 missing MB either with APT (component “base”) or by adding a FTP source to YaSTWell i’m afraid it’s more than that:-)I have bought a SuSE 9.3 Professional box and it includes besides the regular CD’s also two DVD9’s (8.5GB). 2005-06-27 1:49 pm As usual, a small network installation CD image for direct installation from a remote FTP or HTTP server is also available in the same directory as the DVD image.That’s what I was talking about 2005-06-27 1:53 pm Well i’m afraid it’s more than that:-)I have bought a SuSE 9.3 Professional box and it includes besides the regular CD’s also two DVD9’s (8.5GB).The DVD’s and CD’s contain the same thing. Sometimes the DVD contains experimental software (for instance, with SUSE 9.0 it contained a test version of kernel 2.6). But for the most part, they are the same.Still, it has a nice collection of software. 2005-06-27 2:21 pm SUSE 9.3 Pro comes on a dual layer DVD so they must have removed a fair bit of commercial/licensed stuff to fit it on a standard DVD. 2005-06-27 2:40 pm The Boxed DVD comes with both the 32 and 64 bit packages, hence the need for the dual layer DVD. 2005-06-27 2:42 pm A question for the SUSE 9.3 users: What does SUSE 9.3 offer that Ubuntu (Hoary) does not? 2005-06-27 2:51 pm A green lizard logo?Seriously though, I’d assume the power of YaST?I am more keen on editing config files, but I’d assume a lot of people would like the ability to control their systems from a central location.*disclaimer* I have only installed SuSE once, and did not use YaST, so a SuSE user could possibly answer you better. Btw, I’m a Ubuntu user like yourself ;P 2005-06-27 2:53 pm 1. RPM Based – More packages available2. Xen – Best Xen implimentation I have seens with excellent GUI tools3. Beagle and Mono as standard – Ubuntu Hoary packages are very out of date for both of these4. YaST – Ubuntu has no comprehensive configuration tools. YaST may be big but it works and it is easy to use IMHO. Bluetooth can be configured with ease.5. Desktops – Both KDE and GNOME are specially tweaked desktops to provide a better user expereince6. OpenOffice.org 2 – A special Novell editiion of OpenOffice.org 2 Beta7. No need to APTing – After installing Ubuntu, you need about an hour of downloading to get things like Development tools and basic things like gFTP whereas these are all available as standard on the SUSE CDs/DVDsEnough reasons John? I have more… 2005-06-27 2:57 pm Plus you can apt if you want to:-) 2005-06-27 3:32 pm And what does Ubuntu offer that SUSE 9.3 doesn’t? 2005-06-27 4:27 pm How many CDs are actually needed for a base install. Is downloading one CD enough? I’m tired of this crap.My ideal linux distro:1. System tools2. Base KDE or Base Gnome3. Mac-like directory hierachy (GoboLinux)4. No applications (all apps are provided by the developer via autopackage).5. YaSTThe ISO image for such a distro would probably be less than 250 MiB. 2005-06-27 4:35 pm Having this chance, I just installed SUSE, but YAST just wont start with normal user using su or just root. The only way it works is when I login into KDE as root. Anyone can help me here?Also, I noticed everything is considerably slow (launching apps, responce time) comparing to defora and debian. I reinstalled 2 times, same thing. Md5 of iso is correct. 2005-06-27 4:45 pm > How many CDs are actually needed for a base install.All five unfortunately. Why don’t you do a network installation? 2005-06-27 5:17 pm Having this chance, I just installed SUSE, but YAST just wont start with normal user using su or just root. The only way it works is when I login into KDE as root. Anyone can help me here?Is you security setting local paranoid?[i]Also, I noticed everything is considerably slow (launching apps, responce time) comparing to defora and debian. I reinstalled 2 times, same thing.[i/i]Perhaps this might be case.Every distro has it’s strenght.Some are fast but it takes ages to compile everything from source and at dependent package 78 the chain collapses because of some error.Others might be somewhat slower (I run on AMD 64, the differences aren’t significant) but have more packages and features included so you don’t have to download all the time you install. 2005-06-27 5:27 pm This weekend I wanted to try out a new distro. I’m using Debian Etch and thought maybe Fedora would be cool. So I downloaded all 4 CD’s, checked md5sums (which were good), backed-up my data, held my breath, and rebooted.I did the “linux mediacheck” and all CD’s passed. Tried the install. It failed multiple times for 2 different reasons (something about a bad partition, then also something about a bad iproute package I think). I tried multiple times and it kept failing.Then I tried something smaller. I downloaded the Ubuntu CD (5.04 hoary I think — the current one). Checked the md5 sum. It’s good. Burnt the cd, held my breath again, rebooted. This one failed at some other stage — don’t recall which. It gave me an option to retry, I did, it had the same problem.[Sigh] Grabbed the Debian Testing (not Sarge) business card iso. Burnt to disc, rebooted, it ended up failing (I cursed a few times but didn’t write down what the problem was, since I think it was a Testing iso rather than a release iso).Finally, I grabbed good old faithful Debian netinst (the current “Testing” image, not the Sarge image). It’s somewhere around 100 MB. At this point, I’m getting fed up, so I didn’t check the md5 sum — just burnt the thing and rebooted…Ahhh…. worked like a charm. Installed Gnome and got back to work very quickly after that.Moral: Aside from the businesscard iso not working, the lesson learned is that it must be difficult to put together 600 MB+ of software all densly-packed onto CD’s (or DVD’s) and have it all work right right off the bat. The Debian netinst CD is medium sized, but is small enough that your chances are good of everything working right. The businesscard iso is even better (even though the version I grabbed seemed to have a problem — I’ll bet the Sarge version is fine).Getting packages from the net is a good thing. Your installer can check the integrity of them while it’s grabbing each one, and if one fails, the installer can grab another — possibly from another mirror (though I’ve only got mine configured to use one mirror).I don’t know if the bigger distros can do this, but I think it would be useful if they would provide tiny bootstrap install images, and let you apt-get/yum install the rest at install-time.I mean, why download these huge distros, sucking up all sorts of bandwidth, only to find you’ve got a disc error or something and need to grab the whole thing all over again? It’s just wasteful. To anyone interested in installing GNU/Linux, I always point them to the debian sarge businesscard image first. 2005-06-27 5:43 pm Try “kdesu /sbin/yast2” (kdesu, not su). 2005-06-27 5:47 pm Is that so..? – Well if that’s all you need, then SuSE is for you, as it has done this ever since… 2005-06-27 5:57 pm I don’t know if the bigger distros can do this, but I think it would be useful if they would provide tiny bootstrap install images, and let you apt-get/yum install the rest at install-time.SuSE:ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.3/boot/boot….(get the rest with Yast)Fedora:(get the rest with yum or up2date)http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/fedora/core/4/i386/os/im…Mandriva:http://ftp.nluug.nl/ftp/pub/os/Linux/distr/Mandrakelinux/official/2…(get the rest with urpmi)For all important is getting the repositories right.I mean, why download these huge distros, sucking up all sorts of bandwidth, only to find you’ve got a disc error or something and need to grab the whole thing all over again? It’s just wasteful. To anyone interested in installing GNU/Linux, I always point them to the debian sarge businesscard image first.Yes i agree it’s better to download all and install in one go.You consider to buy a boxed set which is much more comfortable,less error prone,and you contribute in one way or another more being developped. 2005-06-27 6:05 pm I think you’re wrong for SUSE, you should use ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.3/iso/9.3-x8… 2005-06-27 6:11 pm Which is the difference between the 5CDs version and the DVD version?Why “EVAL”? The DVD is not the PRO as the 5CDs version?Thanks 2005-06-27 6:25 pm > Why “EVAL”?Because users are politely asked to buy the box although there are ISOs.People are always confusing “Eval” with “Live Eval”, but that’s a difference. The “Live Eval” is not installable, the “Eval” is. 2005-06-27 6:40 pm We ‘re both right the link i gave above is for the non-x86_64 PC’s:-) 2005-06-27 6:58 pm > We ‘re both right the link i gave above is for the non-x86_64 PC’s:-)I think that you’re wrong again. 2005-06-27 7:05 pm Much much easier to get up running than past incarnation. Then a simple switch to SID and I’m back to business as usual. 2005-06-27 7:09 pm Advertisement?Distro Wars can be fascinating. BTW: Linspire is better than pizza. 2005-06-27 7:12 pm [i]By Anonymous (IP: —.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 2005-06-27 7:15 pm I think that you’re wrong again.That’s also a possibility.Have you tried the iso?I did and got the 9.3 boot-screen. 2005-06-27 7:44 pm boot.iso and 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.iso are of the same size (58396 KB) and might very well be identical CDs. I can’t be bothered to compare MD5 sums, but you guys should since you both seem to be 2005-06-27 8:08 pm Suse puts out good stuff and all, but doesn’t anybody think $100 is a bit steep as compared to the prices of other distros? 2005-06-27 8:19 pm ###@linux:~> md5sum boot.iso9eb2ae74952cb8c843245f02524571d2 boot.iso###@linux:~> md5sum 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.isof835cd53c0f285fa61ec43bf07f8b4be 9.3-x86-64-Network-Installation.isoApparently not the same files although with both you get a 9.3 boot-screen. 2005-06-27 8:21 pm Suse puts out good stuff and all, but doesn’t anybody think $100 is a bit steep as compared to the prices of other distros?Depends on what criteria you buy a boxed set and if the prize difference is really that significant. 2005-06-27 8:50 pm >And what does Ubuntu offer that SUSE 9.3 doesn’t?deb packages, huge community, free support 2005-06-27 9:23 pm “Depends on what criteria you buy a boxed set and if the prize difference is really that significant.”Say as opposed to Mandriva, either Discovery which is half the price or PowerPack which is still less, and being a European distro it isn’t as tightly bound by U.S. laws on various codecs and such. On the other hand, for the common user who doesn’t need Xen, Mepis is $10, does the install for you, comes with a load of packages and even runs on my sorry ass HP. 2005-06-27 9:26 pm 1. RPM Based – More packages available That isn’t true. When I used SUSE and rpm apt-get the most packages I could ever find in many repos together at one was like 8000. Hoary has 15000 when you enable the universe. 2005-06-27 11:10 pm > deb packagesNo advandage over RPM (please understand it: APT is something else than DEB and APT is available for RPM), non-standard (not accepted by linuxbase.org)> huge communityYes, a huge community I don’t want to belong to (because besides nice and clever people, there are also too many ones who are just crying all the time “Sun must place Java under the GPL, Macromedia must place Flash under the GPL, I always knew that acroread is spyware because it is not under the GPL)> free supportYes, free support if someone has time to prepare updates and is motivated enough (and if nobody feels responsible or if there is an argument between developers, the users must wait a little bit) -> BTW, there seems to be very little news on that in English, is it because of the time zone?To say it short, it’s worth a lot to have a real company with commercial support behind a system because such a company is economically forced to behave in a more responsible way than volunteers. 2005-06-27 11:57 pm 7. No need to APTing – After installing Ubuntu, you need about an hour of downloading to get things like Development tools and basic things like gFTP whereas these are all available as standard on the SUSE CDs/DVDsThat’s an unfair comparison. A whole crapload of the packages need to be redownloaded to apply security updates anyways. 2005-06-28 12:14 am Yes, a huge community I don’t want to belong to (because besides nice and clever people, there are also too many ones who are just crying all the time “Sun must place Java under the GPL, Macromedia must place Flash under the GPL, I always knew that acroread is spyware because it is not under the GPL)Ummm, I’m on the official #ubuntu channel once in a while and while it consists of users asking stupid questions (what is synaptic type thing, when they could just click on it and see) I have never seen a comment like that, ever. I saw one similar comment, and the room moderator told the guy to stay on topic. Hell, today a guy started complaining about Windows and was told to stay on topic. I didn’t agree with the moderator but still, it kind of goes against your comment.Yes, free support if someone has time to prepare updates and is motivated enough (and if nobody feels responsible or if there is an argument between developers, the users must wait a little bit) -> BTW, there seems to be very little news on that in English, is it because of the time zone?To say it short, it’s worth a lot to have a real company with commercial support behind a system because such a company is economically forced to behave in a more responsible way than volunteers.Ummmm, you do realize Mark Shuttleworth pays people to work on Ubuntu. The guy has A LOT of money and he likes giving open source stuff away for free. Judging from his actions and comments, I think he is going to be targetting the Linux market in South Africa and the rest of Africa (an area currently not supported by Red Hat). Where do you think the free pressed CDs in the nice packages come from, volunteers? Volunteers may be able to get a lot of stuff done software wise…but there is obviously money coming from somewhere when they ship u free pressed CDs anywhere, across the world.Also, in regards to your update comment, Mozilla released Firefox 1.0.4. The next day, the Ubuntu devs had backported the security patches to their 1.0.2 version they include with Hoary (and 0.9.whatever for Warty) and released it on their servers. I kept checking Red Hat’s website (I run CentOS also) and 6 days later Red Hat’s updated packages were released. Red Hat then complained that Mozilla wasn’t co-operating and that’s what took so long.If these “so-called volunteers” working on Ubuntu were able to release a working package so fast, what the hell took Red Hat with their 800 employees so long?Anyways, this is getting off-topic. I really wish people would quit with the whole “I use distro X, what does distro Y offer me that distro X doesn’t? Is it sort of like distro Z?”. It always erupts in flame wars. 2005-06-28 12:19 am You are talking about Ubuntu and I had plain Debian in mind, my fault. It’s OK, it was not nice anyway. I had plain Debian in mind because there was news today that plain Debian had no security updates for several weeks now although they were prepared, but never released. It’s OK, Ubuntu is something else. 2005-06-28 12:20 am That means that the “EVAL” is as PRO as the 5 CD version released in the same directory? 2005-06-28 1:36 am On SuSE, you need to use sux instead of su if you want to run an X application as another user or root user.So, sux -, enter the root password, then run yast and it should work.Or like the above post, kdesu /sbin/yast should work. 2005-06-28 1:38 am or better yet, from the kde menu, go toSystem -> YaST and enter the root password at the graphical prompt. 2005-06-28 2:58 am I’ve used SuSE 9.0, 9.1 and 9.2 and Fedora Core 2, 3 and 4. I fail to see any differences other than the ones I have mentioned (and that SuSE is painfully slow). It’s a pain to get multimedia working in both (and a pain to get SuSE run faster). I paid Novell/SuSE for the boxed sets and I thought it was absolutely not necessary to pay for another revision when I can get pretty much the same with a free (as in beer) distro (i.e. Fedora). I hope someone can say something constructive so that I can open up my wallet for SuSE 10 whenever it is released and not regret having done so. I hope SuSE 10 has something decent to offer other than a change in version number. Distros should be released when a set of objectives (i.e. feature set) has been met, not on a calendar-based release cycle.That said, I am not a big fan of waiting for the free ISOs to hit FTP mirrors and use them as I would if I had paid for them (I think it is okay for evaluation purposes). I would rather support a distro by paying for it when someone is trying to support themselves financially by selling it.I am not trying to start a distro flame war. If you think I was trying to do so, close your eyes or look somewhere else and pretend you didn’t read what I wrote. 2005-06-28 6:20 am Say as opposed to Mandriva, either Discovery which is half the price or PowerPack which is still less,With Mandriva you have to buy a separate box if you want X86_64.SuSE 9.3 comes with two double layer DVD9 DVS’s.One contains all the binairies the other the source code.So if you have a mix of both x86 and x86_64 machines you are i think better of with a all in one box solution.On the other hand, for the common user who doesn’t need Xen, Mepis is $10, does the install for you, comes with a load of packages and even runs on my sorry ass HP.Yes,SuSE is meant to be for the *ambitious* home-user,developer.However the’re more potential criteria to think of when buying a certain boxed set from distro X.The geographical position of most update servers or simply the amount is also an important one.The financial status of the distro is another one.Some distro’s are backed by heavy players on the global market so you might assume support continuity is almost garanteed.Or it’s not directly the money but there’s a incredible amount of users worldwide who use a certain distro so non-commercial users could get easily their share from that valuable knowledge well.At last maybe the least important is the way the distro “feels” when working with it,the style,etc… 2005-06-28 6:23 am Or it’s not directly the money but there’s a incredible amount of users worldwide who use a certain distro so *non-commercial* users could getEverybody. 2005-06-28 10:48 am Umm… anyone know if they’re going to put up a dvd image for x86_64? It would be enough if I could use the “x86_64 Network installation” iso, but I’m not sure what url to use during the installation… 2005-06-28 11:14 am but I’m not sure what url to use during the installation…The greatest part of the URL is allways a “mirror” URL,the particular directory will be shown in the error message under details.So what should be entered is everything befor the actual directory.Umm… anyone know if they’re going to put up a dvd image for x86_64?ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/ftp.suse.com/suse/i386/9.3/iso/SU…(dvd install)http://ops.tamu.edu/suse/i386/9.3/iso/9.3-x86-64-Network-Installati…(network-install)ftp://suse.cs.utah.edu/pub/suse.com/suse/i386/live-dvd-9.3/SL-9.3-…(live-dvd x86_64)ftp://suse.cs.utah.edu/pub/suse.com/suse/i386/live-dvd-9.3/SL-9.3-…(live-dvd x86) 2005-06-28 9:15 pm Is there a way to download the full SUSE-9.3-Eval-DVD.iso from a mirror. Keep getting size of iso as 184 MB. Thanks. 2005-06-29 10:51 pm “Keep getting size of iso as 184 MB”I suspect from this that you’re using an older versions of wget that cannot handle large file downloads. Try updating to the very latest version, 1.10, and see if that works for you.