Gtk+ 2.10 has been released. Check the release notes. This release offers better printing support, improved drag and drop support, and much more. For the record: “GTK+ is a multi-platform toolkit for creating graphical user interfaces. Offering a complete set of widgets, GTK+ is suitable for projects ranging from small one-off tools to complete application suites.”
More functionality into GTK can only be GOOD! Good for gnome especially. Should assist with consistency so that will certainly be good.
The PDF support is certainly very interesting. Yet, having in mind that Adobe just threatened Microsoft to remove their support for PDF, can this represent a problem to the GTK project?
PDF is an open spec, Apple uses PDF as a basis for Quartz rendering without any complaints from Adobe, and Open Office.org has had export to pdf for a while without any complaints.
The whole Microsoft issue was just an attempt to get some money (even though they really didn’t have any justification for their complaint) from someone with a large share of the market. It shouldn’t affect GTK in the slightest.
This is not a very informed comment: Adobe haven’t been very vocal about their concerns (especially wrt assuring media coverage), but they were compliance- and not money extortion-related. That is, since Microsoft are going to deliver a PDF competitor, Adobe started worrying (rightily IMHO) about a possible degrade-and-switch strategy (i.e.: “see how crappy are PDF files you can so easily produce with Office? now go try our revolutionary product!”). Unfortunately I don’t have the URL to the only press article reporting Adobe’s point of view.
rehdon
Adobe did not threaten Microsoft to remove their PDF-support. It’s merely a newspaper-spin.
pdf is an open standard and Adobe will allow anything with pdf as long as you stick to their standard/license. If you do not stick to it you will bring upon yourself a very angry Adobe.
I think this has happened to Microsoft (they have a habit of NOT sticking to standards). Impelement it but not following the standard.
I had a look at it, what features from the plan made their way into 2.10?
Is it just me or did the release notes forget to mention all the new stuff (printing, treeview DND, etc)?
… and support for tray icons, and widgets from libgnomeui.
It’s not full release notes, I think.
keybindings in xfce 4.4 final release will now allow the windows key (mod4) to be used. this is broken in latest svn branch and marked as wontfix cause it was meant to be fixed/correctly implemented in gtk 2.10.
Looks like OSnews jumped the gun and did a release announcement while there is no official announcement done yet from the GTK Project.
The above release notes linked seems more like developer scratchpad.
Looks like OSnews jumped the gun and did a release announcement while there is no official announcement done yet from the GTK Project.
Then what is a) the announcement on the front page, and b) that message in my gnome-announce inbox?
>> Looks like OSnews jumped the gun …
have you even had a look at: http://www.gtk.org/
on the front page it says:
03 Jul 2006
GTK+ 2.10.0 is now available. This is a stable release.
Edited 2006-07-03 10:19
Although the release is announced on the front page, the downloads section only lists the source uptil version 2.8
But yeah, it can be download from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.10/ , but is this really the final release?
How much of the Project Ridley plans which involved integrating several other libraries into GTK+ have been completed?
Edited 2006-07-03 11:30
http://live.gnome.org/ProjectRidley
shows a lot of exciting progress, look at the ‘commited’ ones:
GnomeDruid EggAssistant which means you can use some wizard alike directely in gtk;
GnomeHRef EggLinkButton, you can have a link in the button;
GnomePrint & GnomePrintDialog; these are what the OSNEWS said in this news;
…
I must say you should look at it yourself.
Since it is 2.10 and not 2.9 I think it’s stable (except the case when it might be some Release Candidate).
…when can we expect to grab this with Synaptic? A few days at most? Or is it up to the Xubuntu team to decide?
In SLED 10 with latest pango, glib and cairo, you’ll need to recompile librsvg for SVG support. You should recompile any theme engines as well, i.e gtk-engines, candido engine.
If your a SUSE user then it’s –prefix=/opt/gnome for them and –prefix=/usr for cairo.
I just hope it’s more backwards compatibility friendly than the upgrade to glib 2.10+ was. When that occured it broke kde’s arts and xfce’s panel (well the weather plugin in particular, would crash the whole dock). Not a hard fix mind you (add export G_SLICE=always-malloc to the start scripts in both cases), but still annoying for something that’s supposed to be backwards ABI/API compatible. Plus, the glib/gtk folk apparently saying it wasn’t their problem to fix wasn’t all that helpful either…
Hideous:
http://www.gnome.org/start/2.4/large/hadess.png
It is absolutely inexcusable for Linux to still have such a ugly and garrish UI toolkit in mid-2006 when at the very LEAST they could simply copy:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/overview/
whats so ugly and garish? Are you talking about the theme and icons? Dont you know how to choose a different theme, icon set, and customize your workspace? Some prefer functionality as oppossed to bright and shiny.
How about one of these then:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Image:Gnome-shoeseal-0.png
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Image:GnomeScreenshot-dust.2.png
http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_type=1&screen_id=13543496124…
Hey dude, I voted for you….
“Dont you know how to choose a different theme, icon set, and customize your workspace? Some prefer functionality as oppossed to bright and shiny. ”
Moron.
Linux UI toolkit technology will continue to remain years behind Apple and Microsoft until idiots like you finally get it through your DIMWITTED LITTLE PEA-BRAINS that ‘purty’ themes are not a substitute for a modern UI toolkit.
How many years are you clowns in the open source/Linux world going to fail to grasp that simple concept?
Linux UI toolkit technology will continue to remain years behind Apple and Microsoft until idiots like you finally get it through your DIMWITTED LITTLE PEA-BRAINS that ‘purty’ themes are not a substitute for a modern UI toolkit.
Umm…what do you mean with a modern UI toolkit? And could you clarify how it is “years behind”? Have you ever tried GTK+ programming? It is not only rather simple, it is powerful, too. And as far as I know, neither of the Apple or Microsoft has created cross-platform UI toolkits…
Edited 2006-07-03 16:14
And these would be examples of… ?
That’s gnome 2.4. It was release in 2003, not “mid-2006”.
Duh… me like’um pretty colors.
Wow, another stupid bitch who still doesn’t understand the difference between themes and toolkits.
f–king moron.
Your such well thought out highly intelligent comments sure haven’t demonstrated any knowledge of the difference between the two.
Let’s get some stuff straight here…
1. What you see in that screenshot is the toolkit’s theme, not “the toolkit”. You can make a hideously ugly theme for a perfectly good graphical toolkit – there are ugly, garish color themes for Windows’ GUI toolkit, you know, I’ve seen them. So yes, it is the theme you’re raving about, not the toolkit.
2. The screenshot you link to is hideously outdated and uses a nondefault theme. Current default looks like this, admittedly rather bland but easily changeable:
http://frugalware.org/~laci/screenshots/GNOME-default.png
3. You can’t judge an operating system by what it looks like. Until recently Solaris looked like crap courtesy of CDE, and OpenVMS still looks like crap. They are of course both extremely well-programmed and reliable operating systems. And Win2k3’s Luna interface looks like garbage but guess what’s under the hood?
4. The above all point strong toward your not having a clue what you’re talking about. If your knowledge doesn’t cover something, I strongly suggest that you don’t rant about it, because the people who do have some knowledge of it will have your ass.
5. Your username screams “spammer”, and your posts are invariably trollish in nature, resorting to insults rather than logical arguments. You don’t seem capable of contributing anything useful to any topic.
I think that now might be a very good time for you to shut up and leave…
Thank you! I mean the guy raves I am talking about icons and themes when I dont know what else a screenshot is suppose to show?
Definately a troll…. not even a good troll. What kind of trolls are we turning out these days that they cant offer some reasonable type of arguement, however made up and poorly supporrted. I blame the troll schools, some blame the troll parents, something is certainly failing the trolls.
iirc, directfb support was supposed to make it into 2.10. Has it?
Am I right in thinking that when this happens we should be able to run GNOME without running X11 pretty soon after, maybe under GNOME 2.15?
EDIT: subject is wrong, I of course meant directfb
Edited 2006-07-03 17:11
Correct link is
http://www.gtk.org/gtk-2.10-announcement.html
Reading the changes and what’s new, i wonder if GTK+ is insanely behind? If you see the things coming up in Qt 4.2 – they seem much more innovative.
Does the gnome development framework offer things like that, or do all app dev’s have to write them over and over again?
yeah yeah, call it a troll, but I really wonder. Is GTK+ 2.10 years too late? Or does it just seem that way?
Do you have any examples of this? Gtk is a pretty nice framework, although I’ve only ever used it through pygtk.
well, as i said, its an impression i get after reading a few years about gtk/gnome and qt/kde. i don’t code, so i can’t judge for myself, if i could, i sure would 😉
but mostly, i only speak kde/qt minded ppl, so i hear only one side. tough this might turn into a flamewar (sure doesn’t seem so, yet), i might learn something…
well, as i said, its an impression i get after reading a few years about gtk/gnome and qt/kde. i don’t code, so i can’t judge for myself, if i could, i sure would 😉
Well, if you can’t point to a single specific fact that backs up your impression, maybe you should just re-evaluate it?
Edited 2006-07-04 07:37
based on what information? i’ve heard many ppl say ‘hey, this is sooo easy in Qt’ but i’ve also heard ppl say GTK is hard to use. i’ve never heard someone who used both GTK and Qt say GTK is easier, faster or more efficient, but i’ve heard the opposite many times. (check a blog like http://duncan.mac-vicar.com/blog/archives/62 )
as i can’t judge for myself, i tend to believe it.
but those ppl may be biassed, so i was/am looking for more opinions…
Qt is a commercial product with more concentrated development than GTK imho.
I don’t think GTK+ is “insanely behind”. Sure, it might lack things that Qt does, but they are developed with different goals in mind, and taking into account that Qt is a commercial product while GTK+ is mostly being developed by people in their free time, it is not a wonder that they are not equal in features. I have no experience whatsoever regarding programming with Qt, nor do I know much about the features it includes, but I have been using GTK+ for some small personal projects. I think it has quite a lot of carefully thought-out features, and everything is rather simple to do. And the GTK+ folks are constantly adding new features or improving old ones, so I don’t really see it as inferior compared to Qt.
I think Gtk has a more conservative goal set than QT. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they were a little behind.
However, I’ve always found Gtk to be plenty and I’ve used winforms with vb back in the day, and swing, and of course a little tk. I like Gtk better.
Sometimes I look at things in Gtk and wish they had a less advanced frontend cause they’re complex to get started using: GtkTreeView+GtkTreeStore for example.
But having not developed QT some examples would be helpful.
And do you know what else it offers?
http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/GtkLinkButton.html
Yea, that’s right. I’ve tried to hack in an equivalent using existing widgets but: Buttons don’t look right (even when you flatten them, they’re too thick) and labels don’t let you watch for clicks. So, yay!
Just too bad it’s taken so long, we’ll all still have to make this sort of thing a compile time option, or runtime if you’re using pygtk.
Libsexy (http://www.chipx86.com/wiki/Libsexy) has allowed you to do this for a while, amongst other things. Admitadly it’s not a well known library, but it’s there all the same.
I’ve heard of it. I might use it, if it gets included in gtk. I’m very very slow to add dependencies.