MadPenguin published a review with screenshots of the newly released SuSE Linux Desktop 1.0.
First Look at SuSE Linux Desktop 1.0
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Only $598? I’ll take two!
Agreed. I mean, only the Server products of MS are so expensive, and this is supposed to be an office desktop. I understand that they include quite some commercial software in it, like CrossOver Office 2.0 and SAP GUI, Citrix ICA, Windows 2000 Terminal client, and IBM 5250 client emulation, but the whole deal shouldn’t cost more than $200 (Crossover only costs about $45-50 to Linux distros when they bundle it anyway).
geesh, its a good thing its geared or should i say
gored to the enterprise. anybody got 600 they
wanna give me for free
Yes, I agree, the price is very reasonable. The CrossOver plugin costs $55 and the rest, no doubt, goes to a good cause.
What an unpleasent default desktop… nasty.
Stop the Insanity!!!
It is only 99.00
Yes I know 99.00 is still a lot for LINUX, but considering that SuSE Pro 8.2 is 79.00 as is and for an extra 20.00 bucks I can get the CrossOver plugin – that is worth it.
The 500-600 is if you want to purchase the maintenance plans from SuSE:
http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/sld/prices.html
Here is their EXCERPT:
Maintenance Program
Maintenance Program extension
2121-1INT-MFJ-5
Maintenance Program for SuSE Linux Desktop for 1 year/5 clients US $ 499.00
2121-1INT-MFJ-10
Maintenance Program for SuSE Linux Desktop for 1 year/10 clients US $ 899.00
Thanks!!!
I suppose you missed the part on that page where it says:
“Only sold together with SuSE Maintenance Program”
Bill is right, The reviewer should have justified that the price included the maintenance program.
I was the first on the /. story to mention it and got +5 informative 🙂
ain’t that bad.
i guess it ain’t that good either, considering i prefer my own customized redhat/freebsd setups.
and their price is for maintenance.
and i seriously doubt the BSA will come after you for installing the Suse package on 20 desktops.
Insane
for $600
you get 1 year maintenance for 5 computers.
you also get to use the commercial software on 5 computers for 1 year.
go look at codeweavers website, crossover bundle is $65 for 2-9 clients.
so 5x$65=$325
you also get a license for Star Office.
not to mention this IS a suse 8.2 distro with some minor touches.
If you are a small business, and you had 5 computers you wanted to put suse on, plus crossover office/plugin, and you wanted a year support/maintenance on all 5 computers.
the $600 sounds pretty good.
We are talking about a Windows user. They’re the same sort that will directly copy an ISO image to a CD and wonder why it doesn’t boot.
Btw, what has the burning of a Redhat image have to do with the review of SuSE Linux? Please someone, mod idiots like Anonymous (IP: —.client.attbi.com) down. If they can’t RTFM, why should they interupt a forum with some stupid off top post?
It’s interesting to watch the flow of non-GPL’ed software into the Linux market.
As these software packages, CrossOver, XFM, Click-N-Run, etc, are developed, Linux appears to be more commericially credible and more desktop permitting. These are exciting days – I can’t imagine what the landscape will look like in 3 years.
And to CooCoo…done.
This is only to fight the RedHat desktop version iniciative. In my opinion.
Can’t they make a competitive price or an alternative with less comercial Linux software and support per incident ?
(Don’t RTFM, teach).
yea, that’s a really, really ugly default desktop… it’s so disgusting!!! blending crystal icons w/ a win 95 look… not cool at all, man… thank god for themes… 🙂
Coocoocachoo:
I always appreciate your unbiased and informative comments. Damn windoze users. We as linux users are by definition superior in every way.
Is there any benefit to this thing over 8.2 besides the software that it comes with ?
Just wondering if I should bother downloading it when it shows up on Usenet
You are giving new meaning to “Free Software”, hardy har har!
Hmm I guess I did miss that part – that is kind of a rip off then – I would never pay 500 dollars for a SuSE install.
I would pay 99.00, but not 500.00
Sorry for the confusion all…
Bill
if you’ve already downloaded
a copy of 8.2
a copy of CrossOver 2
a copy of StarOffice 6
not sure you want to download Suse Desktop 1.0, you will end up with the same stuff.
no denying that from the perspective of joe osnews follower that paying $600 dollars for one copy of linux is down right stupid.
of course the product covers 5 seats, including maintenance/support for those 5 seats.
5 licenses for all the commercial software.
This product is to run fully legal, an office of 5 computers.
Anyone here actually PAY for their copy of crossover2 ?
Multiply that by 5, and you are already coming out ahead.
If for some reason I moved my dad’s small biz to all linux workstations(he has 4), picked suse, and needed crossover2…..this would be the way to go.
If I bought one copy of Suse Pro 8.2 that’s $90, and four copies of Crossover2, that’s another $260, a copy of Star Office that’s $80, I’m already at $430.
I’d still only have support for 90 days for just one computer from Suse. I’d prefer to have 365 days maintenance/support for 5 systems.
This product is not for you guys. Quit knee-jerking, and posting the first sophomoric response that comes to mind.
“SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR ONE COPY OF LINUX!!!!”
that’s infantile.
the same company sells the identical distro sans commercial software for $80-$90 so OBVIOUSLY something is different.
figure it out.
Looks fine to me.. looks very similiar to Microsoft’s Windows Classic visual style in Windows XP. This is essentially win9x/2k-style window borders and widgets and new icons.
Keep in mind that server versions of WindowsXP come with the Windows Classic visual style as default. In a lot of enterprise rollouts of XP, the Windows Classic style is enabled by default to ease transition from older versions of Windows. I typically do this when replacing old 9x machines with XP (my office skipped over 2k completely..)
So, SuSE’s default desktop is pretty nice for the market they are going for. I personally think others, such as RedHat or Mandrake, should do the same thing in their advanced products instead of custom-producing a look and feel that alienates everyone.
I know it is a lot but like some have said it is for the enterprise market. I hope a lot of people buy this to keep the LInux ball rolling along.
I bought my copy of Crossover Office (version 2.0.1) and it is worth EVERY cent. Sure, the Johnny cheapskates/hippies of the world don’t like the idea of paying for software, however, unlike them, I have no issues with it as so long as it does what they advertise. Crossover Office does that and more.
Can you really see a corporate desktop using Keramik? Sorry, but it looks like a fun bubbly theme for home users, it does not look professional. Apparently it’s much improved in KDE CVS.
The great idea about the forum was the thing that got most of my attention. I’d love to see that kind of forum on SuSE’s sites. Even if the answers didn’t come from SuSE employees. I’m a paying customer and i think if would strenghten my relationship and make me want to buy anoher version again some time.
What did you say win2k3 cost? as far as i can remember it’s around the $800 US …..
Only $598? I’ll take two!
$598 for the SuSE Maintenance Progam is much better value than $20k for MSDN subscription, which gives you support on the equivalent MS products. For a large corporation witha dapartment which relies on stability and everything working properly, $598 is probably not such a bad price for a maintenance contract.
Can you really see a corporate desktop using Keramik? Sorry, but it looks like a fun bubbly theme for home users, it does not look professional. Apparently it’s much improved in KDE CVS.
I use Keramic on my KDE desktop at home. I use dotNET on my KDE desktop at work. IMO, dotNET looks just as nice as the Windows 2000 look on a Microsoft operating system. Keramic looks no more of a “fun bubbly theme” than the default look in Windows XP. In fact, I think Keramik looks nicer that the large blue borders and ugly taskbar than XP has by default.
Yeah, I know you can change these things, but for both SuSE and Microsoft, if a product is being aimed at the corporate desktop, at least make it look like its meant to fit in there! Even RedHat’s BlueCurve theme looks more professional than either Luna or Keramic.
//$598 for the SuSE Maintenance Progam is much better value than $20k for MSDN subscription,//
Eh? $20,000 for an MSDN subscription? Since when?
Check the facts, dummy:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/elementsources/micmssub.html
Sale price: $1,145. Little over 2x the SuSE plan.
Not to mention A BAZILLION TIMES more helpful.
What does MSDN (Microsoft Developers Network) have to do with a corporate support plan?
Is StarOffice better than OpenOffice?
How about the comparison between MS Office and StarOffice?
I have sure information that Suse intends to raise the price of all their versions.
From 9.0 they will charge 500 bucks for the vanilla home versions, 1000$ for the prosuite.
Also there will be no more free ftp installs.
I haven’t figured it out yet? Why pay for a software you can get for free? Isn’t Linux supposed to be a cheaper alternative to Windows? And 2.4.19!!!!!!???? What’s wrong with SUSE? Bah! Someone will by it anyway.
NVIDIA’s drivers will not install on a standard SuSE system without first recompiling the kernel.
I had no real trouble with SuSE Personal 8.0, I did have to manualy edit the xfree86.cinf file.
Only $598
God!! Window XP Pro costs less.
Why couldn’t corporate desktops use Keramik? It’s about the same in “bubbliness” as WindowsXP’s Luna or MacOSX’s Aqua. Both of these, especially the former, has large inroads in the corporate sector.
I beleive this SuSE package defaults to the “Qt/Windows” widget style in KDE though, looking at the screenshots and all. It seems like a logical choice enough.
I did have to manualy edit the xfree86.conf file.
rolling on the floor. lets see. soon windoes will be *dropping*
their prices to compete with Linux and then we have suse
who i suppose is going to set a new worlds record in high
prices for their desktop
rolling on the floor again
Tux prefers Mandrake
I don’t suppose anyone here would be willing to explain to this uninformed user how this whole Usenet thing works now would ya?
Please keep in mind that this is an enterprise version that is licensed for 5 users. It’s not for the “desktop” at all.
The $598 is for a 1 year maintenance pack. In addition you 1 years maintenance you get to install and use SuSE Enterprise Desktop (including all the expensive commercial software which comes with it) on 5 machines, for all time (the license does not expire when the maintenance pack does).
Sale price: $1,145. Little over 2x the SuSE plan.
I was going by the price on MS’s website, and it was from memory. Note that you need to buy a license for each user with MSDN, so 5 users would be 5 x $2,799 (for the full package)… $13,995. So $20k was a bit out, but my point is still valid.
The $600 price tag includes:
– 1 year of support for 5 clients
– 5 licenses for Crossover Office 2.0 ($263.75)
– 5 licenses for Sun StarOffice 6.0 ($379.75)
– 5 licenses for AGFA monotype fonts
– A copy of the OS
So how expensive is the actual OS in real dollars? Well, the StarOffice and Crossover licenses ALONE are $643.50… so how much are you paying for the actual OS and support (I have no idea what AGFA charges for fonts)? Their website says $99, but in reality it might as well be free.
Why is it so hard to understand that the $600 figure is not just for ONE copy of the OS? It’s not rocket science. SuSE is giving businesses a good deal. Mad Penguin did not review a home OS, they reviewed a 5 client business OS with added commercial software (plus respective licenses) and support.
Read before you post. You are making yourselves sound ridiculous.
Re: How many times must someone point this out?
Re: I am the only person who can read?!?!
Finally someone said it right!
Amen brother!
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