Yes it’s called, realistic goals, reliable employees, and good management. Besides you don’t have to implement all the new changes for a major release, they can come in small increments. I mean as long as you reach your goals its useless to delay a release till a non mile-stone feature is complete.
The enhancement of the unix core and it’s components and services are one thing – but go to Apples OS X 10.3 pages (http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/) and read the detailed featurelist and you will see that the parts Apple get “for free” are only a very small part of the OS.
And by the way, the renewed their dev-tools too, with features like “distributed compile” and “fix&continue”. These things are anhancements that even big players in the dev-tool market (MS, IBM or Borland) can not deliver at the moment. OS X is way more than a bsd distro.
Hey, my brother was going to come down to my campus (near King of Prussia PA, home of one of the apple stores), he wants to buy a powerbook while he’s down, do you think the stores get Jaguar on their systems a little early?
But the guy from Apple annoyed me by saying every time : “Oh! It’s so wonderful and revolutionary” even when the feature was nothing but new (e.g mails sort by threads, that I use in mutt since years) or plainly sucks
(Safari rendering engine => Yeah ! It’s not today that we will end the HTML-mail’s hell. I just hope AppleMail cannot
_send_ those evil HTML’s mail)
Well, I’m just not used to this commercial language.
They got Jaguar for sure 😉 and I bet there will be no Panther installed before the 10/24/03.
But Apple gives Panther to all customers who bought computers after the 8th October for a small s&h fee. So your brother should get Panther for approx. 30$.
Macs shipping starting today will be eligible for the Up-To-Date program and get Panther for $19.95. Sometimes they do put new OS versions on Macs early (depending on how early 🙂
“Hey, my brother was going to come down to my campus (near King of Prussia PA, home of one of the apple stores), he wants to buy a powerbook while he’s down, do you think the stores get Jaguar on their systems a little early?”
No. Tell him to wait until the release date and buy it through a magazine like Macmall. He’ll save on taxes.
Perfect timing! I will actually be in the civilized world on the release date! with my new (to me)powerbook and first real mac waiting for me at home! This is awesome news
I know this is going to sound like I am trolling, but sorry but Apple is majorly ticking me off with this. This is probably why I have been using 9.2.2 at home and have not upgraded.
It seems Apple’s new policy is to come out with a new version roughly every year and then charge $100+ for it.
I didn’t see an upgrade plan from 10.1 to 10.2
If you bought 10.2 there is no discount that I see of.
If you buy your mac today you can pay a WHOLE $20 to get 10.3. So can someone tell me why people shouldn’t wait till OS 10.3 is out before picking up their new machine?
Sorry but this just gives ammunition to those who believe Apple is milking their users.
I don’t think i will touch 10 till I get a G5 (jan 2004) because I have no need to keep paying $100/year for a operating systems
I willbe realy suprised if Apple does not start moving OS released from 12 months to 18 months to 24 months in teh future now that OS X has become a mature OS.
I’m not saying it’s an acceptable practice, but if you compare windows 98 to ME and then compare 10.1 to 10.2 (iChat, VPN access, Quartz Extreme, Renevouz) it makes more sense. It seems more horrible than it is because it looks like just a point release. Oh, also because they are doing every year.
and to integrate it in their GUI ( for example, create a box “Permit windows filesharing” which only have to exec the command “service samba start” ).
They already have this in Jaguar. Open System Preferences and click the “Windows File Sharing” checkbox. Done. SMB server is now running. Click the “Personal Web Sharing” checkbox and voila, Apache is running. Click the “Printer Sharing” checkbox and CUPS starts. Same thing for “Remote Login” (SSH), and a few others.
Jaguar was already easy to use and customize. Panther will only make things better.
“I willbe realy suprised if Apple does not start moving OS released from 12 months to 18 months to 24 months in teh future now that OS X has become a mature OS.”
I think Apple is going to stick to releasing OS upgrades every year. It generates revenue and Apple can recoup dev costs sooner than later. As a business model I think its fine and users don’t seem to mind. Im looking forward to it myself.
The NTFS spec has never to my knowledge be revealed and what we know so far is by reverse engineering. You have always been able to ‘read’ NTFS but the problems comes when you want to write. There has existed for about 2 years now the *ability* to write to NTFS but you are doing it at the risk of corrupting all data.
Unless something new has changed – this is the way its been with NTFS
AFAIK, you can already transfer files back and forth using ms remote desktop sharing with no problems. If you go into the options and click on the local resources tab, u can set it to connect to disk drives, printers, and even serial ports on the computer you are connecting to. No need to worry about wether the drive is HFS or NTFS. It will mount your local drive on the the remote computer and from “my computer” on the remote computer you can copy files back and forth.
RDC (terminal services) is one of the few things that I’m actually very impressed with from MS. It is very responsive and the fact you can mount local drivers and printers over a (hopefully) secure connection is pretty cool. Although right now I’m rather happy using ssh to tunnel xsessions.
Ok i’m an idiot, I misread ur post. You want to do it w/ out using RDC.
But no I would not try writing to an NTFS drive. I know that in linux NTFS is very much write only. There is an experimental option in the kernel to write to NTFS drives, but it is very dangerous, becuase MS hasn’t release the specs of the format.
Albuto, that is absolute nonsense. This is not a “service pack”. I suggest you go to the Apple site and actually read what Panther is. I’m not shilling for Apple, but, for crying out loud, try to know what you’re talking about before you post. Apple and Microsoft simply have different models of how they do things.
Did we forget that is also a migration to 64 bit OS X. This is not fully 64 bit, and it is backwardly compatable with older hardware, more than what I can say about Windows, so I am happy I have a Mac. Mac users should be getting speed boosts from Pather, even with the Macs we have, no need to buy the new Mac to be optimized, older hardware is still good. Every Windows installment, you need a fast computer or it lags, so I’m happy.
Next release, will most likely be in a year, and will then switch fully to 64 bit or something close to it, with maybe some 32 bit backwardly campatable stuff. Just wondering if Classic will die anytime soon.
Linux, the newest release from your favorite distro, I will say that it is slow if you use a graphical interface, something that is needed to make it a real Personal computer for the masses.
To all those whining about Apple’s frequent updates of OS X:
If you can’t justify the money to upgrade to the new version, don’t. I personally will be buying it, because I think it is worth it. That’s what I think the main difference between OS X vs Windows upgrades. OS X just keeps getting better, and every time it is worth the price, whereas Microsoft knows that users will not pay every year for Windows, as the updates Microsoft would provide would not be worth it alone, hence why it is delaying Longhorn for so long.
Obviously, Apple benefits tremendously from the Open Source community, this is partly the reason it can provide more at the same time frame than Windows, it only has to work on certain parts, and others it gets for “free”. However, that is not to say that Apple is the only one benefiting from its Open Source strategy, it has released quite a few improvements back to the Open Source community. Examples range from Safari’s KHTML engine, to Rendez-Vous, to Darwin’s mods, some of which the FreeBSD team is implementing in the upcoming 5.2+ releases of their OS.
It never ceases to amaze me that people whine about annual OS releases. If you’d rather only update your OS every two years, then do so! Close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears, and pretend 10.3 doesn’t exist. Wait 12-16 months for 10.4 to be released, and jump straight from 10.2 to 10.4 for the price of $129. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing this. How can you complain that Apple gives users the *option* of upgrading more frequently to get more timely access to new features? If Apple were to release less often, how would that benefit anyone?
And this stuff about each update being a service pack is ridiculous. I’d like to see you use Panther for awhile, then use 10.0 and tell me with a straight face that the difference is equivalent to a few service packs.
I want to buy a copy of 10.3 but the New Zealand price is about twice the US price (for academic pricing). So, does anyone know where I can get an academic copy from the US sent to New Zealand? I have a current student ID card if that helps.
“…. Apple releases what should be a point-release service pack and charges for it.
If Microsoft did this, there’d be much screaming, but because it’s Apple, “they da man” … feh.
I can’t say I like any of the players, but there’s definitely a lot of hypocrisy concerning such things…”
Not really guy because some people running 2K actually LOATH upgrading to XP. Same thing for people running 95 or 98. With MS SPs your OS actually gets slower with each SP added.
Its not true with MacOSX upgrades and they are true upgrades because you get real new features not just bug fixes which SPs tend to be. I’ll take a MacOSX point release over a MS SP any day.
10.2 to 10.3 is more akin to 2K to XP. The SPs you are talking about on the Mac side is is actually 10.2.1 to 10.2.8.
best os ever
Wow! Apple is really sticking to its release projections. Unusual these days.
Yes it’s called, realistic goals, reliable employees, and good management. Besides you don’t have to implement all the new changes for a major release, they can come in small increments. I mean as long as you reach your goals its useless to delay a release till a non mile-stone feature is complete.
Been waiting for this release.
Good stuff!
I like some of the features. Apple have just acquired a new customer ^__^.
they just have to take all the beautiful, mature and well tested free softwares like bsds, samba, khtml, perl, ruby, …
and to integrate it in their GUI ( for example, create a box “Permit windows filesharing” which only have to exec the command “service samba start” ).
So, it doesn’t take so long, and they users are happy by the beautiful work they’ve done and don’t mind to pay the 150$ of the update.
But in the reality, Apple never could have done itself a software like Samba which breaks the Microsoft-lock-in
The enhancement of the unix core and it’s components and services are one thing – but go to Apples OS X 10.3 pages (http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/) and read the detailed featurelist and you will see that the parts Apple get “for free” are only a very small part of the OS.
And by the way, the renewed their dev-tools too, with features like “distributed compile” and “fix&continue”. These things are anhancements that even big players in the dev-tool market (MS, IBM or Borland) can not deliver at the moment. OS X is way more than a bsd distro.
FYI
I just bought a 120 GB drive (the 40 GB drive I got frommy other PC was to small for video)
it should be here in a week…and then I get a nice new shiny OS to go on top of it 🙂
not to mention Xcode.
does anyone know if it accepts plug-ins? I would love to be able to write some python scripts in it and have highlighting.
Hey, my brother was going to come down to my campus (near King of Prussia PA, home of one of the apple stores), he wants to buy a powerbook while he’s down, do you think the stores get Jaguar on their systems a little early?
Actually, I don’t need to follow your link, I was a few weeks ago in the Apple Expo in Paris.
During the conference about mac os X, the guy from Apple shows
some key-features of their new OS. I had a mix feeling : because some were really fine (the user switching and Exposé are very useful ideas. Their video-conference worked well).
But the guy from Apple annoyed me by saying every time : “Oh! It’s so wonderful and revolutionary” even when the feature was nothing but new (e.g mails sort by threads, that I use in mutt since years) or plainly sucks
(Safari rendering engine => Yeah ! It’s not today that we will end the HTML-mail’s hell. I just hope AppleMail cannot
_send_ those evil HTML’s mail)
Well, I’m just not used to this commercial language.
… why aren’t they using a digital clock instead of that old “1930s train station” clock for the countdown, ey ?
s/Safari rendering engine/Safari rendering engine in mails/
They got Jaguar for sure 😉 and I bet there will be no Panther installed before the 10/24/03.
But Apple gives Panther to all customers who bought computers after the 8th October for a small s&h fee. So your brother should get Panther for approx. 30$.
Macs shipping starting today will be eligible for the Up-To-Date program and get Panther for $19.95. Sometimes they do put new OS versions on Macs early (depending on how early 🙂
“Hey, my brother was going to come down to my campus (near King of Prussia PA, home of one of the apple stores), he wants to buy a powerbook while he’s down, do you think the stores get Jaguar on their systems a little early?”
No. Tell him to wait until the release date and buy it through a magazine like Macmall. He’ll save on taxes.
Perfect timing! I will actually be in the civilized world on the release date! with my new (to me)powerbook and first real mac waiting for me at home! This is awesome news
yeah im going to be on time this time around and get this new release.
By this I mean how long until security fixes are no longer backported to 10.1 and 10.2 by Apple?
And is it possible to get the fixes anywhere else if Apple don’t provide them?
I know this is going to sound like I am trolling, but sorry but Apple is majorly ticking me off with this. This is probably why I have been using 9.2.2 at home and have not upgraded.
It seems Apple’s new policy is to come out with a new version roughly every year and then charge $100+ for it.
I didn’t see an upgrade plan from 10.1 to 10.2
If you bought 10.2 there is no discount that I see of.
If you buy your mac today you can pay a WHOLE $20 to get 10.3. So can someone tell me why people shouldn’t wait till OS 10.3 is out before picking up their new machine?
Sorry but this just gives ammunition to those who believe Apple is milking their users.
I don’t think i will touch 10 till I get a G5 (jan 2004) because I have no need to keep paying $100/year for a operating systems
you have no need to buy OS upgrades every year?
then don’t
I willbe realy suprised if Apple does not start moving OS released from 12 months to 18 months to 24 months in teh future now that OS X has become a mature OS.
I’m not saying it’s an acceptable practice, but if you compare windows 98 to ME and then compare 10.1 to 10.2 (iChat, VPN access, Quartz Extreme, Renevouz) it makes more sense. It seems more horrible than it is because it looks like just a point release. Oh, also because they are doing every year.
and to integrate it in their GUI ( for example, create a box “Permit windows filesharing” which only have to exec the command “service samba start” ).
They already have this in Jaguar. Open System Preferences and click the “Windows File Sharing” checkbox. Done. SMB server is now running. Click the “Personal Web Sharing” checkbox and voila, Apache is running. Click the “Printer Sharing” checkbox and CUPS starts. Same thing for “Remote Login” (SSH), and a few others.
Jaguar was already easy to use and customize. Panther will only make things better.
“I willbe realy suprised if Apple does not start moving OS released from 12 months to 18 months to 24 months in teh future now that OS X has become a mature OS.”
I think Apple is going to stick to releasing OS upgrades every year. It generates revenue and Apple can recoup dev costs sooner than later. As a business model I think its fine and users don’t seem to mind. Im looking forward to it myself.
Iwould realy love to be able to transfer files to m laptop with out using MS Remote desktop.
The NTFS spec has never to my knowledge be revealed and what we know so far is by reverse engineering. You have always been able to ‘read’ NTFS but the problems comes when you want to write. There has existed for about 2 years now the *ability* to write to NTFS but you are doing it at the risk of corrupting all data.
Unless something new has changed – this is the way its been with NTFS
…. Apple releases what should be a point-release service pack and charges for it.
If Microsoft did this, there’d be much screaming, but because it’s Apple, “they da man” … feh.
I can’t say I like any of the players, but there’s definitely a lot of hypocrisy concerning such things…
AFAIK, you can already transfer files back and forth using ms remote desktop sharing with no problems. If you go into the options and click on the local resources tab, u can set it to connect to disk drives, printers, and even serial ports on the computer you are connecting to. No need to worry about wether the drive is HFS or NTFS. It will mount your local drive on the the remote computer and from “my computer” on the remote computer you can copy files back and forth.
RDC (terminal services) is one of the few things that I’m actually very impressed with from MS. It is very responsive and the fact you can mount local drivers and printers over a (hopefully) secure connection is pretty cool. Although right now I’m rather happy using ssh to tunnel xsessions.
Ok i’m an idiot, I misread ur post. You want to do it w/ out using RDC.
But no I would not try writing to an NTFS drive. I know that in linux NTFS is very much write only. There is an experimental option in the kernel to write to NTFS drives, but it is very dangerous, becuase MS hasn’t release the specs of the format.
Albuto, that is absolute nonsense. This is not a “service pack”. I suggest you go to the Apple site and actually read what Panther is. I’m not shilling for Apple, but, for crying out loud, try to know what you’re talking about before you post. Apple and Microsoft simply have different models of how they do things.
umm…ok,
windows 3.11 was windows 3.11
windows 95 was windows 4.0
windows 98 was windows 4.1
widnows 98SE was windows 4.2
windows ME was windows 4.3
windows NT 4 was NT 4.0
Windows 2k was NT 5.0(it certainly was a huge major release)
Windows XP was NT 5.1
so, WTF are you talking about?
a service pack is a x.y.Z release, not an x.y release
that is like saying that linux kernel 2.0 is the same kernel as 2.6
they are not Backwards compatable with each other at all and there are TONS better technology in 2.6 that 2.0 did not even dream of having.
stop trolling with your ignorence and begin realiseing that you should learn something before you complain about it.
Did we forget that is also a migration to 64 bit OS X. This is not fully 64 bit, and it is backwardly compatable with older hardware, more than what I can say about Windows, so I am happy I have a Mac. Mac users should be getting speed boosts from Pather, even with the Macs we have, no need to buy the new Mac to be optimized, older hardware is still good. Every Windows installment, you need a fast computer or it lags, so I’m happy.
Next release, will most likely be in a year, and will then switch fully to 64 bit or something close to it, with maybe some 32 bit backwardly campatable stuff. Just wondering if Classic will die anytime soon.
Linux, the newest release from your favorite distro, I will say that it is slow if you use a graphical interface, something that is needed to make it a real Personal computer for the masses.
To all those whining about Apple’s frequent updates of OS X:
If you can’t justify the money to upgrade to the new version, don’t. I personally will be buying it, because I think it is worth it. That’s what I think the main difference between OS X vs Windows upgrades. OS X just keeps getting better, and every time it is worth the price, whereas Microsoft knows that users will not pay every year for Windows, as the updates Microsoft would provide would not be worth it alone, hence why it is delaying Longhorn for so long.
Obviously, Apple benefits tremendously from the Open Source community, this is partly the reason it can provide more at the same time frame than Windows, it only has to work on certain parts, and others it gets for “free”. However, that is not to say that Apple is the only one benefiting from its Open Source strategy, it has released quite a few improvements back to the Open Source community. Examples range from Safari’s KHTML engine, to Rendez-Vous, to Darwin’s mods, some of which the FreeBSD team is implementing in the upcoming 5.2+ releases of their OS.
It never ceases to amaze me that people whine about annual OS releases. If you’d rather only update your OS every two years, then do so! Close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears, and pretend 10.3 doesn’t exist. Wait 12-16 months for 10.4 to be released, and jump straight from 10.2 to 10.4 for the price of $129. There is absolutely nothing stopping you from doing this. How can you complain that Apple gives users the *option* of upgrading more frequently to get more timely access to new features? If Apple were to release less often, how would that benefit anyone?
And this stuff about each update being a service pack is ridiculous. I’d like to see you use Panther for awhile, then use 10.0 and tell me with a straight face that the difference is equivalent to a few service packs.
So, tell me this. What is the difference between updating an OS once a year and charging 100 bux to updating once in 2 years for 200 bux?
Personally, I rather get the new features. If you can deal with not getting the new features, skip a generation.
I want to buy a copy of 10.3 but the New Zealand price is about twice the US price (for academic pricing). So, does anyone know where I can get an academic copy from the US sent to New Zealand? I have a current student ID card if that helps.
you are out of luck.
do you know anyone inthe US that can buy you a copy and send it to you?
“…. Apple releases what should be a point-release service pack and charges for it.
If Microsoft did this, there’d be much screaming, but because it’s Apple, “they da man” … feh.
I can’t say I like any of the players, but there’s definitely a lot of hypocrisy concerning such things…”
Not really guy because some people running 2K actually LOATH upgrading to XP. Same thing for people running 95 or 98. With MS SPs your OS actually gets slower with each SP added.
Its not true with MacOSX upgrades and they are true upgrades because you get real new features not just bug fixes which SPs tend to be. I’ll take a MacOSX point release over a MS SP any day.
10.2 to 10.3 is more akin to 2K to XP. The SPs you are talking about on the Mac side is is actually 10.2.1 to 10.2.8.
Apple has upgraded iCal and iSync. The changes in iCal are quite apparent and make it much more useable than before. We are on the road to Panther!
Unfortunately not with an academic ID. Apparently there is a sole distributorship (monopoly) in New Zealand which explains things I guess.
both OS X 1.3 and SUSE LINUX 9 will be releasesed on the 24th of October in the US! Cool
Check http://www.suse.com for more info