Microsoft’s pre-beta version of its Visual Studio .NET platform, “Whidbey”, is offering a trove of new simplified tools and features that should make developers jobs easier, while giving Microsoft critics new fodder, attendees at the Professional Developers Conference here said. In the meantime, Microsoft Developer Tools Roadmap 2004-2005 were posted, and also the new CLR Profiler which allows developers to see the allocation profile of their manage applications.
Microsoft’s Whidbey: Something For Everyone
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is a fine thing. However it is something strange from time to time. For instance, earlier this day, after I had breakfast, I went on the computer to programm on a programm (this pun!:) with the Visual Studio of Microsoft. But then I wanted to additional Project to solution and it said vc classes not registred. I would not find workaround even in msdn help website, so I had to reinstall whole thing (Took quite some time it did!)
it does it sometimes.
so I overall give it
VStudio .NET
00-00-00-00-00
gui design 3/5 (like borland tools better)
speed: 4/5 runs fairely decent on my p3 500 notebook toschiba
stability: 3/5 (see at above)
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complete 3.5/5
@chief editor: I will write exhausting review as article if you wish
Theo
I want a tool which writes the user’s guide 🙂
All of these M$ tools are nice but they will never be able to be better than the ultimate programming tool! VIM!
All of these M$ tools are nice but they will never be able to be better than the ultimate programming tool! VIM!
I agree, but you can use VIM in VisualStudio.
Forget about “Vim”.
Let us create new tools, modern tools, powerful tools. Let us not rely on relics of the past like text editors such as Vim.
Technology should be about advancement, continual advancement, Not basking in the achivments of yesteryear.
what is a vim?
can you give me the url to him?
–theo
http://www.google.com/search?&q=vim
Let us create new tools, modern tools, powerful tools.
That’s what Bram Molenaar made : VIM is a new, modern, powerful tool, and leads the world of editing.
But, according to the KISS, it’s just a text editor, that’s why it should be used inside a IDE, or inside a great OS like emacs.
@Theodor Waigel
Welcome in the world of true men ==> http://vim.sf.net
More modern does not necessarily mean better. If it did, “modern” languages like Java and C# wouldn’t still be playing catch up to ones that came decades before. “Modern” file management paradigms wouldn’t be far less efficient than good old cp and mv. “Modern” OSs like NT wouldn’t be less secure than ancient ones like UNIX. A good idea is a good idea, and good ideas are timeless. The inexorable march of progress is slowed greatly by all the crappy ideas littering the path. History repeats itself.
Besides, Vi (and Emacs and other CLI editors) have not stood still over the years. The basic model is the same, but that is because it is the most optimal one we have given the limitations of our hardware (the keyboard is still the most high-bandwidth interface between human and computer). Over the years, tons of features and external scripts have been added, to the point where you can do interactive development, debugging, refactoring, code browsing, version control, etc, all without taking your hands off the keyboard, or breaking your concentration by trying to find things in a GUI.
Now, I’m not saying that the CLI is optimal for everything. I still use Konqueror for webpages, and use KMail for mail. But for tasks like these, the existing CLI tools are phenomenally more productive than their GUI counterparts.
MS has the best dev tools on the market, the .NET platform is the future for development. There are no other tools for developers on the market that can even compare.
if it ain’t broke….
hey, if it works, why make a “better” solution?
In my opinion, IDEs can be cumbersome for simple programs that kids do in school, and even for scripts. thre has be be a way to make an IDE that gives some one the power of the IDE and debugger, but the simplicity of an editor and GCC.
hmm…..nEdit + GCC does a pretty good job.
I have developed some of the best apps using MS Vis Dev studio. MS has geared the suite of applications towards an advanced programmer such as myself. I am pleased.
can’t compare the men power month.
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Visual Studio pales in comparison to the Java IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. They have features like built in refactoring, code generation (for example, generate getters and setters from a variable), and navigate to a class by name. Going back to Visual Studio feels like going back in time.
I have used visual studio. I had to patch the thing out of the box. When I first ran it I go linking errors on Hello World!
I have to fully agree with Paul: you never experienced REAL auto-complete functions until you tried IntelliJ!! And the refactoring, autogenerating of try catch blocks with the right exeptions already filled in, etc, etc is really great. Also very intelligent is that it instantly tells you if you made a mistake so your program won’t compile, or that a variable is initialised, but never used in your program… There are really a thousand little things in that program which makes it really nice for a java programmer. Indeed, using something else feels like going back in time… I must add: it doesn’t have a GUI editor, but I use qt-designer in combination with http://uic.sf.net which is also good for the basic layout
Paul: the nice features you are talking about is exactly what VS Whidbey is all about!
… and I’m pleased :o)
I have been using .NET and Windows 2003 for about 6 months now and I must say, though they are a vast improvement over past tools, they just don’t seem to be that well thought out.
Maybe it’s a maturity thing but I am constantly coming across problems I need to solve that should be instinctive in a modern ‘programming’ language/runtime. It seems that although MS have improved they are still lacking a vision of a more ‘standard’ future. In the same way IE fails to bother supporting CSS properly I feel that .NET fails to be supporting technologies that are up and coming in a full way. For example ASP.NET forms are _NOT_ XHTML compatible, which is ridiculous (especially seeing that the XHTML spec has been around a while) and also have compatibility problems with non-Javascript enabled browsers (still around 15% of the market according to stats). Also there is no support for SVG whatsoever, despite the much publicised ‘full’ xml support. Overall I’ve found ASP.NET great for the Dreamweaver and VB coders out there but full of headaches and compatibility problems for those of us who want to work to W3C standards, making most of the .NET functionality, that would make it a great environment invalid.
I think it’s a shame, again MS can’t be bothered to think ahead far enough in fear of supporting a standards that they might have to pull down to further themselves. It just makes my life as a developer so much less enjoyable.
The product is not supposed to support W3C standards, and that is intentional. When you develop with this product don’t even try to be standards compliant unless it is a Microsoft only standard. That’s what you are supposed to be doing when using this product.
is a comparison between Whidbey and Xcode (the new IDE for OS X, successor to Project Builder). Would comparison between Xcode and the current Visual Studio be more fair, as Whidbey is “pre-beta”?
“…advanced programmer such as myself.”
You’re a funny guy, Deak!
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“…advanced programmer such as myself.”
You’re a funny guy, Deak!
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Deak isnt funny, hes 1337.
I for one have made a call to the MSDN customer service so they would include the whidbey and yukon alfa’s in our next shipment.
I don’t understand some of the previous posts. Maybe you know i’m not a very big fan of microsoft but some of the Visual Studio bashing is really over the line. I will agree there were some serious bugs in VS.NET 2002, but 2003 works fine. My comments come from a guy using the 2003 version, i’ve used 2002 but upgraded as soon as i found out it fixes a lot of the bugs i was running into.
“I have used visual studio. I had to patch the thing out of the box. When I first ran it I go linking errors on Hello World!”
How did you patch it? What was wrong? I’ve never heard something like this before. I know of many bugs but none like this. I think you are lying.
re: Dissapointed with .NET
I agree with you, asp.NET webcontrols and W3C are a pain. But that doesn’t have anything to do with visual studio the IDE. The way Visual studio handles webcontrols is pretty neat if you ask me. Also if you read the whidbey features ( http://www.asp.net/whidbey/whitepapers/VSWhidbeyOverview.aspx?tabin… ) you’ll see that whidbey will have validation and accessability checking.
“Visual Studio pales in comparison to the Java IDEs: Eclipse and IntelliJ. They have features like built in refactoring, code generation (for example, generate getters and setters from a variable), and navigate to a class by name. Going back to Visual Studio feels like going back in time.”
I will agree that Eclipse is a great IDE (i haven’t used IntelliJ), and that it indeed provides features that VS is lacking (auto correcting by adding namespaces for example, CVS integration being another), but Visual Studio has things over them too, especially in a microsoft environment (source safe, sql server, …)
All in all i think visual studio and sql server are two of the best things to come out of redmond. if whidbey lives up to it’s promises and proves stable and reliable enough it will be a great IDE, offcourse eclipse still has ’til around 2005 to improve as well (which it will). I for one can’t wait to get my hands on one of the alfa’s.
MS has the best dev tools on the market, the .NET platform is the future for development. There are no other tools for developers on the market that can even compare.
I completely disagree. I think that .NET and Microsoft’s VS IDE are fairly good tools, but I also think that limiting your options to one company or one tool is a lot like a carpenter that zealously limits his tool use to a square-mouthed shovel; not very effective for hammering nails.
“Deak isnt funny, hes 1337.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA! They’re right, you are funny guy.
Microsoft has nothing that I am interested in. Their lack of security in their products is like a car company selling a car that looks good (not very good and not great) on the outside but is a Yugo underneath.
Thanks, but I’ll stick with non MS solutions for everyting.