According to BeGroovy, “With the start of WalterCon 2004 comes the new name for OBOS, Haiku. Too late for complaining, the t-shirts have been made.” In related news, the BeUnited JAVA port was demonstrated and will be released soon. Also see coverage on IsComputerOn.
OpenBeOS Becomes Haiku
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why not kontiki? or mikado? or harakiri?
googling “haiki” get “Haiku is one of the most important form of traditional japanese poetry” http://www.toyomasu.com/haiku/#whatishaiku“>the .
If japanese poetry isn’t the first thing that comes to mind when you read the word Haiku…you’re either very slow..or you just don’t know anything about japan…
If japanese poetry isn’t the first thing that comes to mind when you read the word Haiku…you’re either very slow..or you just don’t know anything about japan…
Or know nothing at all about anything…
None of the 15 finalists was nice! The only one I likes was: “Plan B”
My first reaction to the name Haiku was bad. However, after I thought about it a bit I realized that the name is not bad at all. It doesn’t even have the letter B in it at all! Considering that Haiku’s competition has names like “Windows”, “MacOS” and “Linux” I don’t think that the name is at all out of place.
For those interested, here is the new logo:
http://www.docsprocket.com/images/01-haiku01.jpg
Looks nice.
BeOS and Naiku have a history. If you used BeOS back in the day, you’ll remember that there were several hundred Haikus, some about BeOS, many about JLG himself, that were messages within the OS itself.
Here is a TON of them: http://www.begroovy.com/haiku.zip,
and here is more info: http://www.betips.net/chunga.php?id=218.
I don’t really like the name, but will pretend I do from now on 😉
GREAT news about Java – does anyone know if the port includes AWT & Swing ?
if they choose a name they will go with one that they can register as a domain (haiku.com and .org are already taken)
This project have quite a history of marketing themselves under names they can’t actually use (Openbeos, OBOS)
I wouldn’t put it past them to have done it again. Probably end up as Haiku.cx or something….
I think you’ll find it’s http://www.haiku-os.org, site is down at the moment though.
well, i think BorndeadOS would apply better
good luck!
I for one was worried that they’d pick a silly or just plain stupid name. Haiku is wonderful and goes well with the history and character of BeOS. And the logo is wonderful and professional, giving me hope that the visual feel will be much more polished than the train wreck that is Zeta. Congrats folks!
I’m happy that we finally have a name for it becides OpenBeOS. I mean OpenBeOS was a good name but it’s good to have a “final” name that we hope won’t be changing. Now we get to wait for the new website to be launched 🙂 I noticed the new name in the CVS logs from earlier today(they have begun removing OpenBeOS references from the code/licenses).
I think Haiku sound really well and the logo is well designed, it’s simple, the feathers show the lightness, the colors the multi-media.. well the elegancy of BeOS
The logo is very nice and so is the name. Oh and I want one these new shirts!
It really flows well to me.
“Haiku R1”
The name is chosen
The website will be launched
New era begins
That’s the one I voted for!!!!!!
Disclaimer: this is my opinion & you don’t have to agree with it. But please respect it as i do yours.
Haiku is a very nice name for 2 reasons:
1. It flows well
2. is stands for a light weight form of poetry
Light weight & flowing poetry are great things to associate w/ an OS in my opinion.
http://coollinux.spyw.com
Altough I don’t like the name, it fits perfectly within the BeOS… Especially the new logo is extremely nice, I love it!
My blessing
Haiku kinda reminds me Haku of Spirited Away.
Haiku and beunited.org Announce Partnership
Posted: beunited.org – Saturday June 19 2004 – 14:35
President of beunited.org Simon Gauvin today announced at Waltercon a new strategic partnership with Haiku Inc. saying, “beunited.org is partnering with Haiku as its exclusive reference platform for standards development, documentation, and distribution. This brings the two organizations closer together as we move forward to deliver a complete solution for the community.”
Look to beunited.org to start releasing bundles of Haiku parts directly on this site in the coming days.
How many Syllable’s are there in a Haiku? [audience groans]
Haiku’s are more than just “Japanes Poems” .. they often try to describe what the (old) Japenese culture is all about: Simplicity & Functionality. Those are two things that apply to (Open)BEoS very weel IMHO.
5 On the First Line. 7 On the Second. 5 On the Third.
ぼくは新しい名前Ӕ 4;好き。新しいサイ 488;もすげい。カツ丼&# 12434;一つ下さい。
I dig the new name. The new site is cool too. I’ll have the katsu don please.
“The new site is cool too.”
And the new site is… where? I wanna see it!
Gein
I really miss the Haiku error messages from NetPositive 🙁
Anyone got a mirror of this site?
We should stop allowing nerds to name things. There are too many software titles that sound like they were named after mythical RPG/D&D characters, like Basilisk and Gnome.
Haiku sounds like it was born from the internet nerd’s new obsession, Japanese culture. “Now I can use Haiku to watch anime and download manga and get pictures of non-judgmental Japanese schoolgirls! kekekeke! ^_^ !”
I guess I should be glad that they didn’t call it “Cthulhu”.
(The rant above is actually a joke. I think the new logo looks professional, and I like it
but I guess with out a base to start from, they are limited.
OpenBeOS had something exciting, fresh, it had even BeOS right smack in it’s name, so people knew what the heck it stood for.
Haiku? I am afraid it doesn’t impress me that much. In fact, I think it’s simply boring and definitely not zzzzzzzzzzzz……..
Right on!
OpenBeOS had something exciting, fresh, it had even BeOS right smack in it’s name, so people knew what the heck it stood for.
Trademark issues I think. Like how Linux can’t be called UNIX(R).
Maybe the new name Haiku[i] doesn’t sound very technical. I guess the name could be more OS like, so more technical in some way. And maybe some American teenagers don’t find the new name familiar and kewl enough? But so what, they could also have chosen a much worse new name…
If you do know what haiku means, it sounds actually rather aesthetic and suitable name for a fast, lightweight easy-to-use, simple but effective OS. And – it isn’t so long and strange a name like [i]Dragonfly BSD, for example… Or what aboutBlueEyedOS…? http://www.blueeyedos.com/
What did BeOS mean, anyway? Without the OS ending, nobody would have guessed that Be was an OS name.
Haiku is also a short name, which is good. I suppose that people may start to use the OS ending for the Haiku name too: Haiku OS or HaikuOS, if necessary.
Like some said above, many software and especially open source projects, and also OSes, do have stranger names than this one… We have had Firebird, Thunderbird and Firefox, for example… Or what about Mozilla, or its predecessor Mosaic? Is Opera a name for a browser? Would you know what a program called Excel or Powerpoint does just by its name? Is Dreamweaver[i] a perfect name for a web editor, or [i]Apache for a server software?
Yeah, it is not always easy to find good names for a software products… But product/project names are just names, and can be changed too – the product is what matters.
I don’t think it was ever announced what Be actually meant/stood for. Naturally there were rumors though. I think the most popular one was “Buzzword enhanced”.
Does this mean they are getting close to release the first version of the OS? Or, is it just name change and pretty much nothing else new? I have watched OpenBeOS for a few years now and practically just gave up the wait.
AFAIK they said they would announce this as soon as thier application to become a non-profit organisation was complete.
Haiku doesn’t sound very technical. I guess the name could be more OS like, so more technical in some way.
Like MacOS, Windows or Unix (which was a joke on Multics!)?
Buzzword enhanced
Actually when BeOS was originally announced it was described as Buzzword compliant.
Buzzword enabled, no?
Wow, I haven’t guessed those guys were about to find such a sweeet and appropriate name. Actually, those who haven’t used BeOS in the old days may not understand why it is so suitable, but the rest of us will appreciate it. Great choice!
However, I don’t like the logo. It’s just… it’s just too plain, too poorly characteristic. It has no soul.
Although it is good news about the java port, I’ll wait until it is actually useful for something before I get too excited.
I haven’t heard any OpenBeOS…ooops…Haiku’s progress in a long time. Where does it stand?
i love the Haiku above. And i like the new name and logo. Add to that the Java announcement and i’m very happy.
cheers
peter
Haiku (pronounced High-coo) is a great choice, for all the reasons that have been stated before.
It is great because
– it is not technical
– it revives a “secret” joke in the BeOS community
– it refers to simple structure
– it hides complexity and depth
I personally love it.
At first I was taken aback when I heard it, because my first thought was “Huh? That’s not a good name for a serious OS.” And then I realized why not? It sounds good when you say it, and it’s a great tribute to the BeOS tradition of using Haiku error messages.
Now I’m totally into it. When someone says “have you heard of Haiku,” I’ll say “you mean that new operating system that grew out of the BeOS community?”
Regards,
Jared
Come on! These leaves on the logo, they’re in every Adobe Illustrator version! It’s a clipart that’s shipped with the program… Couldn’t they invent anything different?
I agree with Buck. I have no problem with the name but the logo is not professional at all. Stock leaves and a very common font. I really hope that Michael and the Haiku team will reconsider and in time change the logo.
The first thing I thought when I saw the new logo was; “How will this look in the Deskbar”. My conclusion was that allthough it’s not all that bad for a simple sweater or t-shirt it’s no good in the Deskbar. I hope something better will be created and used for the official logo.
If anyone feels artistic today, why not help out with suggestions?
I like the name, it fits. The project is making much faster headway then I ever expected, maybe in another year it will be bootable? Very cool. 🙂
> maybe in another year it will be bootable?
It is already bootable
Anyone can confirm the leaves on the logo are Adobe Illustrator clipart ? 😐
Agreed. Those leaves will never draw at Deskbar resolution.
How about http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~kh/Haiku.png
unless they want to make a really clean break with the BeOS style. (Needs more work but it’s late…)
It’s fantastic in it’s moderation. And it’s also plain fantastic. Very nice!
It is great because
– it is not technical
– it revives a “secret” joke in the BeOS community
– it refers to simple structure
– it hides complexity and depth
While i have to agree with you in all the four points, i personally dislike it. it’s … uhh.. uuugh!
Hopefully i just haven’T yet come tp the point to loev the Haiku name.
First of all, respect to the Haiku team.
The deskbar will look nice with just a little leaf there. Green, red, yellow. Whatever.. it will look nice.
I think the Haiku logo is fantastic! Exactly what the logo should be. Can’t any of you imagine that appearing on the screen during boot-up?
And I think it would fit perfectly on the Deskbar.
In response to the person who submitted their own version, I have to say, I really don’t like it. Sorry. Don’t you understand, Haiku is trying to separate it’s identity from BeOS which is now a TM of Palm, Inc. What’s the point in creating a logo that is almost exactly the same as the old one.
There will always be people in this world who hate change.
I, too, like this logo. It is simple and easy to understand. I love how it doesn’t have “OS” tagged on the end of it. It is a unique name for an os. Plus i think that it is more of an international word, which is a good thing considering how many geeks are from europe, asia, and south america. I really don’t care much about the bootup but that logo would look kickass on the deskbar, like Me said.
Is “Haiku” open-source software? Is an “honest-to-goodness” open-source project with the goal of complete “back-to-the-community” development as mandated by the open source licenses or is this a closed-source project controlled by the few like another BeOS-like company?
Troy
I can’t tell if you’re being a troll or not, but I’ll respond anyhow.
Putting forth a strawman argument like you have done, and linking it to the downfall of a company from years ago, is in my humble opinion, quite poor form.
The entire OpenBeOS / Haiku development thus far has proven one thing in my mind: Dedication.
The developers who have stuck with the work of re-creating our beloved OS have done a tremendous job, and have put in countless hours poring over technical manuals, online documentation, debugging theirs’ and others’ codebases, and generally putting forth an effort where the results haven’t always been immediately fruitful.
Now I ask you this in return. What makes you bring this kind of question up in the first place? Perhaps you are completely mis-informed about the nature and objectives of the project, or you have mis-read the intentions of the many people involved. Either way, I feel a little discussion is in order.
Let me address the license issue as well, while on the topic. While the choice itself of which license to use is a minor controversy to some people (who still do not like it and voice their opinion(s) from time to time.), it doesn’t concern the matter at hand of the new name change. The new name is the result of real struggle to find a name suitable for the project that distances it from potential copyright and legal issues with PalmSource.
Furthermore, the group of developers involved with this project, and the administration engine who run the project, are more than capable of giving back real value to the community that will make use of Haiku. Looking at some examples like OpenBFS, OpenTracker/OpenDeskbar, the nVidia and Radeon drivers, various parts of the OS like the Translation Kit, and so on, it leads me to conclude that the project is quite open to being communicative and honest with the Community. With a large project like SkyOS adopting OpenBFS as well, it only shows that this project has real merit, and is valued quite highly by others.
I don’t know what kind of point you are driving at by alluding to “honest-to-goodness” and “back-to-the-community” comments, Troy, but I would welcome more eludication on your part so as to have a pleasant conversation about Haiku. It is in the best interest of everyone involved if this discussion were to generate growing interest from the populace of users who seek an alternative operating system.
Let’s try to give them something to enjoy, instead of tearing down the hard work of others.
-Chris Simmons,
I use Haiku; you?
http://www.beosjournal.org
Funny you ask since you were part of the OpenBeOS mailing list, and quited 3 months ago saying you “given up on BeOS”.
You somehow must have missed their website and the various discussions on the mailing list.
It grows on you. I did not dislike it at first, just was surprised. After a few days of thinking, I found I really liked it, and have been working on some ideas for name recognition and public awareness down the road.
Haiku is actually going to be an advantage over an “***OS” style name when it comes marketing, whether non-profit or commercial use.
As for the logo, I think a break from the red-blue BeOS style is needed, although I’ll always have many reminders of it here. The new logo will serve for the time being. There are more than enough talented people in the community and waiting to try it to improve on it in the future.
I love the new name and logo, check this background done with the Haiku logo: http://www.xs4all.nl/~pmlans/studio-33/files/backgrounds/haiku_1152…
Wating for Haiku R1 !!
0033
How come all the Haikus were deleted…shouldn’t they just have been modded down?
I hate to say it, but one thing that’s preventing OSNews from becoming a “professional-grade” web site is the inconsistent moderation policy. I agree these were off-topic, but I don’t see why they should have been completely deleted.
Is Haiku free (as freedom) software ? What is your licence (BSD, GPL. LGPL, etc) ?
For me the main problem for BeOS clones is thet most of them are non-free software. If linux, which is free as freedom and as beer, has dificulty to break M$ Windows desktop monopoly, imagine another proprietary and closed OS. Nobody (except some few geeks) will change from a popular closed OS (Windows) to another closed OS with much less applications and hardware support.
Take a look at the topic: “OpenBeOS becomes Haiku”
What do you think Open stands for? And why not the check the project webpage?
http://www.openbeos.org
then check the FAQs.
Why does this always comes up? One would expect that a visit to the project website was mandatory to any geek that comes to OSNews and wants to know more info.
Haiku is licensed under the MIT License as outlined here:
http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/print/print_faq_html.php?id=17
from the FAQs section:
http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/faq.php
-Chris Simmons,
I use Haiku; You?
http://www.beosjournal.org
So, let me get this straight…
You guys are asking, in a news item titled “OpenBeOS becomes Haiku”, whether Haiku is open source or free (as in freedom) software.
Ok, I’ll humour you,
YES! It is. OpenBeOS / Haiku is open source software under the MIT license. It’s freely available for anyone to take and/or do what they want with.
Answers to most other questions are available here: http://open-beos.sourceforge.net/faq.php
I really like the work of the OpenBeOS project, but the new name is plain horrible.
First of all it’s a very hard, sharp word, almost a bit unfriendly. The aggressive “hai!” start and “ku!” ending sees to that.
Secondly, the original BeOS name, just as AmigaOS, MacOS, Windows, and even Linux to some small extent (“subsystems” such as Gnome and KDE etc. to a greater extent), is excellent as a basis to form new names, for related software and hardware. Think of all BeOS apps that starts with “Be”, all Amiga apps starting with “Ami” etc. Haiku doesn’t lend itself to that very well.
“Is “Haiku” open-source software? Is an “honest-to-goodness” open-source project with the goal of complete “back-to-the-community” development as mandated by the open source licenses or is this a closed-source project controlled by the few like another BeOS-like company?”
Yes, it is. You can download the entire OpenBeOS / Haiku source code and you can then do with it what you wish, distribute it etc.
It seems obvious to me that you’re just being a troll really, probably due to some personal agenda with the OpenBeOS developers.
It’s not always such a good idea to tack on a platform description (be it “Be” or “Java” or “.NET” or whatever) to a product name…it limits the product and also emphasizes technical details instead of what the product is suppose to accomplish. Still, if a developer did want to do that, you’re right that “Haiku” may not work so well for that.
Haiku is a pre-existing word. With an OS like a linux distribution, If I search for linux on the internet I will definitely get pages about linux. But right now if I search for haiku, I will get pages about this Japanese form of poetry.
Phonetically, haiku is a harsh, unpleasant word.
The name Walter was ok by me as it stood for
Windoze ALTERnative,and that’s what brought me to the BeOS in the first place,a search fo a Windoze alternative,and in many ways BeOS is still the most workable Win-alternative out there,Linux with all it’s extra drivers and themes and stuff is still too Klunky and hard to use to be a real choice for most people(although they have made substantial progress in the years since I first tried it)Hopefully this open BeOS project will eventially catch on with the open source crowd that makes Linux so on top of the latest hardware support and whatnot,because that was always BeOS’s weak point, lack of drivers.
While Haiku is a familiar thing to any old BeOS/Net+ user it still doesn’t really thrill me that much as a name for an OS,but I will probably learn to live with it.In the words of the late bluseman Sonny Boy Williamson,as he was interuped in the middle of a session by the engineer for a title for his song”You can call it anything you want to, You can call to Yo’ Mammy if you want!!”And that’s about the way I feel ,If it packs the speed and eloquence of the BeOS ,who cares what it’s called.
heh, wondering which we get now first when searching for window/windows
“Phonetically, haiku is a harsh, unpleasant word.”
Really? I highly disagree, I think its a soft and very pleasing word to hear. hi-koo, haiku whats so harsh about that? I like it.
This Haiku OS project is not even on the map right now, save for its contributions to Beos Max and Developer’s Edition. The BeOS community is real splintered. There are distributions based on the free BeOS 5 Personal Edition like Max and Developer Edition, there is Zeta and Haiku. This is like multiple ant colonies fighting over a single discarded crumb.
By 1996 and beyond when search engines were becoming established Microsoft’s Windows Series of Operating Systems were already dominant. It will take some time for Haiku OS to ever come up first in search engine results. For most internet users who used a search engine, Microsoft Windows was already popular enough to top the searches for “windows”.
Iambic Pentameter.
I have a few quick questions for all of the people wondering what the licence is for Haiku.
What is (was???) the licence of SCO Unix?
What is the licence of Linux?
What was the licence of Be, Inc for BeOS?
Do you see any connections?
I remember trying to sell BeOS to Linux users in the late 90’s, they would always bad mouth the OS, because it was not open source. They really liked the way it was easy to use, but would never buy it. That is the real reason the BeOS failed. Politics, Open Source versus Commercial, not faster versus slower.
Haiku is not a joke. Haiku is the hearts and minds of many developers, critisim will only embolden them like it has embolden me.
Now Haiku is Open Source, and they are still complaining.
I give my warmest welcome to anyone wanting to help with this new project. Give it a chance.
Spend one week with a BeOS Compatible machine, enjoy the mouse, give the keyboard a break. if you need help, download a copy of BeShare from BeBits, connect, and ask for help… then, after the week is over, go back to your copy of Linux and enjoy the slow boot, command line, and working versions of AbiWord and OOo. Keep doing this every six months; watch the growth of this wonderful OS.
Do just like I do. keep trying it out, be astonished by the growth in Haiku like we have been astonished by the growth in Linux.
alphaseinor
p.s. ignore spelling and grammar, you know what it says.
Mr. Simmons,
No. I just asked questions regarding the license. It was not intended as an argument or an attack on those who spend hours working away recreating an “open-source” version of the BeOS
Since you asked the question, “What makes you bring this kind of question up in the first place?”, I will answer it. I am asking about the license, as an IT manager, and how it relates to what is called the open source effect. How is my company going to benefit from Haiku? What are the hardware costs in using Haiku? Most, higher-level managers, IT or otherwise, will start the “bean counting” or resource allocations almost immediately. Is Haiku going to be scalable, reliable, and meet performance my company’s needs? Is Haiku going to meet the hardware ecosystem that is present in my company or business.
Depending on the size of a given organization looking at deploying an open-sourced solution, like Haiku, does it honestly fit the particular needs of said organization? Many organizations have developed their own tools. How will Haiku maintain or migrate into an organization? Will it maintain and allow their data, sometimes massive, and make it useful toward their financial profit goals.
If Haiku is truly open source and is going to be a production-quality product, as I believe it will be, then hard questions must be asked. They must be analyzed and answered.
If I am considered a “troll” for asking questions – oh well – they need to be asked. Sometimes, someone asking a legitimate question is not an attack, although I can see how it might be interpreted as such, but rather a point or a view trying to present itself in the free marketplace of ideas. In this case Haiku and its license.
As a personal note: I too like the name and its movement away from “legacy”. I also agree there needs to be more open communication with everyone to allow developers, users, and business.
To all the people who jumped on the flame wagon. Yes. I, and I am not shy in admitting, I did say I was leaving. Being the non-linear thinker I am, I am always open to new ideas and opportunities. I just got a little tired of the bashing in a certain forum for being like one of three Linux users in the group.
Hope this clears things up a little.
Troy
http://banther-trx.homeunix.com
Well I did say, “unless they want to make a really clean break.” My thinking was that blue and red have emotional appeal as a nod to Haiku’s roots, but I wouldn’t be at all dogmatic about the colours (except there shouldn’t be yellow, to differentiate from Yt.)
My main point is that the official logo won’t scale well to the 47 by 20 pixels of the Deskbar logo. The leaves would just be smudges.
Someone suggested a single leaf – yes, that’s a good solution, although it still needs to be clarified whether these are Adobe Illustrator clipart leaves. What would be the copyright implications of that?
Most copyright laws concerning Adobe Illustrator clipart are royalty free.
Thanks Troy for providing some background on your earlier post.
Hard questions are welcomed in our community. We have nothing to gain by beating around the bush and avoiding the tough issues, so it is actually a good thing that you brought up the license, scalability, and performance issues, from a bean counters perspective.
I hope that it has been made completely clear by now the full situation of the license that Haiku will be using.
At this time, I shouldn’t really speak on behalf of the developers, but I can say this about the scalability and stability aspects of Haiku; it so far has been a very thorough process by which development has been planned with. I’m quite proud to be able to see the almost daily progress internally of what was once a ragged band of developers who first decided online to go forward with this project. (emphasis mine)
One of the key aspects of Haiku that I think will lend itself well to large organizations is the fact that it is compartimentalized, structured and designed from the beginning to allow accelerated growth in any particular area/feature that the developers want to focus on (including outside parties), without greatly affecting the rest of the system.
As an example, this would allow instant messaging to take on corporate-specific features at its core, silently, quietly, elegantly, without breaking anything else. Want to add an improved file query system? Drop in a new Tracker, designed specifically for faster/improved and server oriented if need be, and you suddenly have new functionality.
I’m getting off topic though. I apologize to any pundits out there who have patiently read this far…
Troy, thank you for your reply. I don’t know if I’ve been able to answer your question(s), but I am willing to try.
To anyone else; if you have a question for me not related to this topic, please feel free to contact me privately.
-Chris Simmons,
I use Haiku; you?
http://www.beosjournal.org
OK now I take it all back.
http://homepages.caverock.net.nz/~kh/Haiku2.png
is my actual deskbar. I’ve beefed up the thickness of each element a bit. It’s, um… not bad 😀
Jonathan
It’s not always such a good idea to tack on a platform description (be it “Be” or “Java” or “.NET” or whatever) to a product name…it limits the product and also emphasizes technical details instead of what the product is suppose to accomplish.
Good point. However, I believe it’s a good thing to have as a possibility, especially for things like small utility softwaer (it’s easy to come up with names), and community efforts, such as web sites etc.
Christopher X
“Phonetically, haiku is a harsh, unpleasant word.”
Really? I highly disagree, I think its a soft and very pleasing word to hear. hi-koo, haiku whats so harsh about that? I like it.
I guess there might be some diffences in how we appreciate the word, depending on our native languages. E.g, “hai” (spelled “haj”) means “shark” in swedish.
It may seem ridiculous to rant so much about the name issue, but I serioulsy believe it’s extremely important, and it seems that the responsible persons should have been a bit more thorough. I may be completely wrong about this though, since it’s not an issue I’ve actively monitored.
Mr. Simmons,
Thank you for your response about Haiku’s license. I am not a troll.
Some questions:
1) Are there a planned date for a instalable and usable version for non-developers ?
2) How do you plan to deal with chicken-and-egg problem of software and drivers offer ?
3) Is NewOS a usable and stable kernel by now ?
4) Is original BeOS compatibility vital for the project or you will break compatibility on some new ideas ?
The OpenBeOS FAQ page is dated 12 Sep 2002 (very outdated).
Sorry my english. It is not my native language.
emission:
Yes, I think you’re right…flexibility is a good thing and it definitely does ease one of the hardest parts of project development: names. (…seems like that’s where all this started…) And it’s no doubt important for community type programs/websites where the emphasis is on the platform…for example, developer tools, discussion forums, etc. It’ll be interesting to see what inspiration people may/will have as it relates to this…something has got to be lurking in those six letters.
I’ll be brief.
1.) I think what would best suit this specific case would be a “live cd”. I haven’t heard of a planned date, but I would speculate purely using my own gut feeling and perspective that a “live cd” could be conceived and created within a year’s time. This would allow the entire CVS worth of code to be installed to a clean HD and allow booting into what would then be Haiku, graphically, with minimal functionality, including Java.
2.) There is not a lot of the chicken-and-egg problem left, as it was known back in the R4, R4.5, R5 days of BeOS. These days, the only major stumbling blocks are porting the large applications like OpenOffice, finishing/adding support for USB and peripherals like printers/scanners, digital cameras, and polishing the growing support for video cards. If one is to examine a file repository like BeBits, one can see that despite the lack of a company like Be Inc., pretty much every few days there is a completely new application being announced, and refinements made to hundreds of applications over a short time period (less than six months.)
I don’t see the chicken-and-egg problem anymore, personally. FireFox suits my browsing needs 95% now, and I know it will get better. I still edit things in regular text editors, or Gobe Productive. I listen to my music in SoundPlay. and so on. Larger applications such as Refraction and others are well on their way to being usable by the time Haiku R1 arrives. Until then, I aim to do my part by promoting them, testing them, and helping the developers any way I can. That is the real problem now, and not a chicken-and-egg paradigm.
3.) You would have to ask Michael Phipps or Axel Dorfler about that. I don’t have any specific information on how stable the NewOS kernel is, but from all reports I’ve seen, it appears more than up to the job. The rest of development is up to the Haiku team to integrate the API and Kernel, as necessary.
4.) The conversation regarding binary compatibility has been quite thoroughly examined both on public forums and mailing lists (both public, and private.) I can tell you with 100% confidence that the binary compatibility issue will not affect in any great way the multitude of applications that currently were compiled for BeOS R5 Pro. That is to say, binary compatiblity has been one of the priorities of Haiku since day one, and with that said, yes, there have been some minor bugfixes where it was painfully obvious it was necessary, but that was in no way a showstopper to the binary-compatibility needs, current and future.
Speaking of new ideas, there are a few things that the font system will be capable of doing that BeOS R5 can not, as well as internally the app_server will be more robust when it comes to threading and messaging, but pretty much every aspect of BeOS will be replicated as best as possible. I do also want to point out that OpenBFS has had several enhancements and speedups included in its design, without any real hassle about binary-compatibility, made possible because the original designers of BeOS had already planned for the eventual “adjustment” of headers and API design(s).
The FAQ has been worked on for Haiku’s new website, from my understanding. I hope as time goes on, these minor issues will be made clear for you and others new to Haiku.
Thanks for your great questions, Artimo! I apologize in advance if I’ve been unclear in my answers. I merely report what I myself have learned from the developers and the Haiku team members.
-Chris Simmons,
I use Haiku; You?
http://www.beosjournal.org
So they’re saying their code is short?
Anyone know what version they’re talking about? Or if this is including the full set of libraries that ship with the official java from sun? I couldn’t find any mention if they’re talking about something complete, or more along the lines of a port of gcj or kaffe.
Great Name.
Anyone that has followed the Be community for more that a week would recognize this as a great and perfectly fitting name. It makes sense in almost every way.
can not wait for thi releases to start flowing!
Most pleased with Haiku
Logo seems to speak what’s true
Rhyme-ing is nice too:-)
> Anyone know what version they’re talking about?
Currently, they are referring to SUN Java 1.4.2
Koki
Yes indeed, it is version 1.4.2 that is being used.
Read about it here:
http://news.beosjournal.org/?id=319
-Chris Simmons,
I use Haiku; You?
http://www.beosjournal.org
i dont know anything about japan.. i tend to know more about english speaking asian countries (india)… sadly.. i took japanese in school too–sad isn’t it.
the name dosent regester with me. I love OpenBeOS and BeOS but I hate the name.
I think, when you boot up and first see the Haiku logo splashscreen, the three feathers/leaves should drift down from offscreen into their logo positions as a short, but pretty, japanese tune plays, ending with a soft “shing!” (chime-like sound) as the last feather/leaf lands into position.
I think the Koto would be the best instrument for the tune…
Whaddayathink?
Luposian
I like the sound of that .. i can even see it !
Harjtt
Well you can’t have sound at the beginning of the bootscreen, because the sound driver isn’t loaded yet. Maybe there’s time for the “shing!” near the end though. That’s if you can play sound without using the MediaKit (should be possible I guess). The leaves could of course start drifting before this as long as it’s possible to time it correctly.
A dead orchid lies
Festering in the shadows
Much like BeOS now
I nominate the pc speaker for that task.
And I have it on a shirt, too!
Anyone who didn’t go to WalterCon because they weren’t sure if it would be worth it: it was worth it. Great fun, meet people, learn things, collect bad one-liners, etc…