Home > .NET > The Future of Microsoft Development Tools The Future of Microsoft Development Tools Eugenia Loli 2004-09-14 .NET 14 Comments S. Somasegar, corporate vice president of Microsoft’s developer division, introduced during his keynote at VSLive! Orlando on Monday the final member of the Visual Studio 2005 family: the Standard Edition. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 14 Comments 2004-09-14 7:33 am OK – so this edition is slightly less crippled than the Express Edition but slightly more crippled than the Professional edition. Sounds like the future of microsoft development tools is bright. 2004-09-14 10:58 am I really don’t like this model for releasing development tools. I want to buy the package and know I’m getting everything I need and everything that is available to work with .NET. I don’t want to have to decide which I can afford based on what I think I may be doing next year. It really makes me consider other tools for .NET developement. Make one package and make it affordable is what I say. I don’t even care if they give it away to students and I have to pay for it. I’m making a living off of it, they aren’t. And the yearly updates are WAY too expensive. Let us buy it once and then support it. Having to pay to upgrade every year to get the latest version of a tool I’ve already bought is BS. I feel better now. 2004-09-14 1:10 pm “According to Somasegar, the Standard Edition combines the ease of the Express Editions with the power of the Professional Edition.” Well I fell screwed with my Standard editions! It does NOT offer the power of the Professional Edition, because they left a lot of stuff out. I can’t even install debug on a server for asp.net. So what, am I like, not Professional enough? Can’t create empty web projects in the web server root, why? Because I’m a n00b? I feel screwed and I’ll think twice before buying VS again. They should be honest and say: “It doesn’t offfer the power of Professional Edition, and we’ve left stuff out, but we won’t say what exactly, because then you’d feel screwed.” 2004-09-14 1:52 pm Im sick of this game I will use other tools. 2004-09-14 3:27 pm > Im sick of this game I will use other tools. What product is a viable alternative to VS.NET??? Visual SlickEdit, I don’t think soo 2004-09-14 4:30 pm If he were doing C++ development, yeah, Slickedit would be a good alternative. It depends on what you’re doing. VS.NET is a 2-ton swiss army knife, and while there isn’t anything that matches it as a whole, there are hundreds of products one can use to accomplish the same goals. C++: Slickedit + Free VC++ compiler + Windbg, Codewarrior, Eclipse + CDT? ASP/HTML: Dreamweaver? C#: #develop? ….and so on…. Don’t be an ass. 2004-09-14 5:16 pm emacs 2004-09-14 6:21 pm vi 2004-09-14 6:39 pm SciTE [www.scintilla.org] 2004-09-14 7:27 pm I gotta figure how much my time is worth. If I’m doing something professionally and a tool lets me get something done in half the time it would’ve taken otherwise, it’ll probably pay for itself in short order. A friend of mine (who is a web developer) says Dreamweaver paid for itself after completing just one job 2004-09-14 7:41 pm Too many goddamn versions of VS now. I wish they’d just release one version – there are alot of “Professional” features that need to be in the other versions, but they’re not, so if you need just one of those versions, you’re stuck with the crazy price-tag of Professiona. What the fuck? Augh. C’mon, Microsoft, suck less. Whidbey rocks, but the way you’re selling it doesn’t. Infact – if such a thing is possible – it actually UNrocks. 2004-09-15 12:31 am I’m guessing MS use VS in their dev cycle. Not a good advert for VS is it. SP2 out late, Longhorn out very late (and hobbled) etc. etc. etc… 😉 Not sure what they use to build VirtualPC, but that is late and hobbled too… Alternatives? Personally, I love Delphi (except for Drivers, it does pretty much everything) on the Win platform, love XCode on Mac… 2004-09-15 3:41 am @thavith, would you be suprised if I told you they don’t use VS? 2004-09-15 3:59 am ms makes many dev tools they sell them at various prices to fit many budgets many free options abound for whoever is on that tight of a budget all these developers complaining? are you ms partners if you are developing ms apps? if not join ms empower program and get universal msdn for 2 years at $375 per yr. is that cheap enough for you? it normally costs $2800 for first yr and $2300 after that. http://members.microsoft.com/partner/competency/isvcomp/empower/?na… if your firm is already a partner than you should have access to pro, enterprise, and universal memberships at reduced rates if you need the offerings of those subscriptions. if you or your firm are not ms partners you need to become one. memberships start at free: http://members.microsoft.com/partner/usa/default.aspx if you are student get the materials at even lower rates or for free. if you dont need all the power of full blown vs .net versions than look to these new offerings or to the coming express versions. for gods sake dont cry about choices. and when you can get an msdn universal subscription for $375 with 10’s of thousands of dollars of software included and a monthly mailing with all new tools and updates and new software, you should jump for joy. and again if you are building ms solutions you should also be at least a registed member of ms partner program (free) and you can then use the Action Pack: http://members.microsoft.com/partner/salesmarketing/partnermarket/a… for $299 you can get nearly every app an os ms makes to legally run your business…not just for dev and testing but to run you servers and laptops and desktops on a day to day basis. its $199 per yr after the first yr. at thats for 10 licencses of nearly everything they make. still want to complain? almost all the above is available to developers all over the world…not just the usa. look around ms for your national information. lets see some happy faces folks.