Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 17th Dec 2017 19:39 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones

For a long time, it was just setting the default search provider to Google in exchange for a beefy stipend. Later, paid links in your new tab page were added. Then, a proprietary service, Pocket, was bundled into the browser - not as an addon, but a hardcoded feature. In the past few days, we’ve discovered an advertisement in the form of browser extension was sideloaded into user browsers. Whoever is leading these decisions at Mozilla needs to be stopped.

Mozilla garnered a lot of fully deserved goodwill with the most recent Firefox release, and here they are, jeopardising all that hard work. People expect this kind of nonsense from Google, Apple, or Microsoft - not Mozilla. Is it unfair to judge Mozilla much more harshly than those others? Perhaps, but that's a consequence of appealing to more demanding users when it comes to privacy and open source.

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Another nail
by Morgan on Mon 18th Dec 2017 00:59 UTC
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It just gets worse and worse. I was so happy to see the performance come back into parity with Chrome, then they pull out another two user-hostile moves in less than two weeks. First it was silently changing the user's custom search settings to Google (oh but that had nothing to do with their new Google partnership, sure). Then they go and pull this bullshit.

You know, I almost dropped them over even considering Directory Tiles, then again when they integrated Pocket into the code itself instead of keeping it as a plugin the user could disable.

Now, I think I am done for good. I'm looking for a cross platform browser with bookmark sync that isn't based on Firefox or Chrome, or barring that, a way to sync bookmarks that works reliably in Edge and Midori.

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RE: Another nail
by Kochise on Mon 18th Dec 2017 06:01 in reply to "Another nail"
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Waterfox ?

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RE[2]: Another nail
by Kochise on Mon 18th Dec 2017 18:45 in reply to "RE: Another nail"
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Downvoters are really getting stupider with time :

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RE[2]: Another nail
by Morgan on Tue 19th Dec 2017 04:16 in reply to "RE: Another nail"
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Nope. Besides being Firefox-based and therefore ultimately subject to Mozilla's upstream decisions, there are a few things about it that bug me.

Waterfox is partners with Ecosia, a search engine that plants trees with its generated revenues.

While this is a noble cause, it's still running my searches through a search engine that generates revenue based on mining my search data, tying it to my identity, and logging visited links. I'm opposed to that on principle[1].

Webpage and technical data to Google’s SafeBrowsing service: To help protect you from malicious downloads, Firefox sends basic information about unrecognized downloads to Google's SafeBrowsing Service, including the filename and the URL it was downloaded from. Learn more or read Google’s Privacy Policy. Opting out prevents Firefox from warning you of potentially illegitimate or malicious websites or downloaded files.

First, they should consider replacing "Firefox" with "Waterfox" to avoid confusion. Second, this clause in their privacy policy shows they are still sending every single file you download through Google's wringer, and they make it sound ominous and scary if you opt out. Google is no longer allowed anywhere near my devices and my life.

So really, it's Firefox with a different pelt. No thanks.

[1] So how do I search at all, you may ask? I use, which generates revenue by completely divorcing your current search from any identifying information such as IP address and browser fingerprint, and uses those keywords alone to generate ad links. If you don't click the ad links, the advertisers don't know you exist. They don't store past searches and they don't tie the active search to your identity.

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RE: Another nail
by Sauron on Mon 18th Dec 2017 10:45 in reply to "Another nail"
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Totally with you. I dumped Firefox 3 year ago when it became clear they was screwing it and their users over to become another Chrome clone! I moved to Pale Moon and have been completely happy with it, also started using Vivaldi on occasion but I still prefer Pale Moon.

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RE: Another nail
by dionicio on Mon 18th Dec 2017 22:27 in reply to "Another nail"
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Needing independence from Alphabet, or will drop Mozilla code.

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