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Windows Last week, security vendor Sophos published a blog post in which it said that Windows 7 was vulnerable to 8 our of 10 of the most common viruses. Microsoft has responded to these test results, which are a classic case of "scare 'm and they'll fall in line".
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RE[7]: They deserve it
by tomcat on Wed 11th Nov 2009 04:09 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: They deserve it"
tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

Just on this ... this is also an oft-touted claim, but it has no credibility without justification.


Well, allow me to retort...

Games is one area where this perhaps has some semblance of validity, but if you want to play games why not just buy a games console?


Ah, yes. That old familiar kneejerk response from a Linux fanboy upon discovering Use-Cases that they can't handle: Criticize the user. Nice. How's that working for you? Converting lots of "dumb, ignorant users" with that approach?

As for other, real-world actual desktop applications ... I'd like to hear of one with wide adoption (say over 80% of desktop users would run applications of that kind) where one couldn't get good
software for Linux to achieve that end.


Um, sorry, but you don't get to narrow the scenarios to some arbitrary percentage of users in order to deflect the damage. Users have all kinds of different needs -- and in fact, needs that are already being met by OS X and Windows -- so you're going to have to try harder to pretend all they need is a web browser and an Office suite.

I'm talking email clients, browsers, Office suites, editors, collection managers etc, etc ... exactly what kind of software do you imagine one can't you get for Linux?


Mac/Windows............Linux
Photoshop.................GIMP (crap)
Quicken.....................Zilch
Autocad.....................Zilch
PageMaker.................Zilch
Visio........................Zilch
Access......................Zilch
AfterEffects................Zilch
3DStudio MAX...............Zilch
A zillion vertical apps...Zilch

Edited 2009-11-11 04:19 UTC

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RE[8]: They deserve it
by lemur2 on Wed 11th Nov 2009 04:42 in reply to "RE[7]: They deserve it"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"I'm talking email clients, browsers, Office suites, editors, collection managers etc, etc ... exactly what kind of software do you imagine one can't you get for Linux?
Mac/Windows............Linux Photoshop.................GIMP (crap) Quicken.....................Zilch Autocad.....................Zilch PageMaker.................Zilch Visio........................Zilch Access......................Zilch AfterEffects................Zilch 3DStudio MAX...............Zilch A zillion vertical apps...Zilch "

Those are specific apps, not kinds of apps.

Photoshop is a hugely expensive application that wouldn't be of use to more than 1% of the population. GIMP is more than good enough for the other 99%.

Quicken ... Moneydance.
Access ... OpenOffice base, firebird
Visio ... Dia, OpenOffice draw

The rest also have a low user base, but anyway:

Autocad ... http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/CAD/
Pagemaker ... Scribus
AfterEffects ... cinefx, kdenlive
3DStudio MAX ... Blender

A zillion vertical apps ... none of which are used by 99% of people.

OK, so therefore you have shown that Linux is not the best choice yet for 1% of the desktop userbase.

You are just a tad shy of the 80% level-of-use applications I asked you about.

Edited 2009-11-11 04:44 UTC

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RE[9]: They deserve it
by ssa2204 on Wed 11th Nov 2009 09:00 in reply to "RE[8]: They deserve it"
ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22


Those are specific apps, not kinds of apps.

Photoshop is a hugely expensive application that wouldn't be of use to more than 1% of the population. GIMP is more than good enough for the other 99%.

Quicken ... Moneydance.
Access ... OpenOffice base, firebird
Visio ... Dia, OpenOffice draw

The rest also have a low user base, but anyway:

Autocad ... http://www.linuxlinks.com/Software/Graphics/CAD/
Pagemaker ... Scribus
AfterEffects ... cinefx, kdenlive
3DStudio MAX ... Blender

A zillion vertical apps ... none of which are used by 99% of people.

OK, so therefore you have shown that Linux is not the best choice yet for 1% of the desktop userbase.

You are just a tad shy of the 80% level-of-use applications I asked you about.


Sorry you may know absolutely nothing about CAD programs, but not a single one of those would be of use. My father happens to be a structural engineer, and believe me when I say AutoCAD IS THE industry standard. Beyond that, Visio just does not have a competitor. Cue up Adobe Premiere, the capabilities that these programs offer are just nowhere to be found elsewhere...period. As for Access, there again comes an issue of what the competition has to offer, and what they offer simply is not sufficient.

Maybe for some kids who just want to play around, some of this free stuff will suffice. But you try to be a consultant and do some work in those Linux CAD programs, you will NOT find work. Ditto if you want professional or quality video production. This where I find you zealots to be just close to dangerous. You care more about your own personal obsessions than anything else.

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RE[8]: They deserve it
by gustl on Wed 11th Nov 2009 21:56 in reply to "RE[7]: They deserve it"
gustl Member since:
2006-01-19

Mac/Windows.....Linux
Photoshop..............GIMP, Krita
Quicken................Gnucash
Autocad................PRO/E, Catia, ...
PageMaker..............Inkscape, Scribus
Visio..................OODraw, Umbrello
Access.................OOBase + Database
AfterEffects...........Houdini
3DStudio MAX...........blender
Zilch..................Computing on 4 of 4 cores + working in desktop app

Of course, if you have experience with the apps you use on Windows which are not available on Linux, you will experience quite some disappointments. And most likely you will not switch.

As did I when I was switched from HPUX and Linux over to Windows at my workplace, and found out how hard it can be to find a decently working editor in the Windows world. In the end I left the company.

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