Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 9th Jan 2010 19:52 UTC, submitted by John Mills
Multimedia, AV Songbird, the open source iTunes alternative (which we reported on earlier), has landed a big deal with Philips. The Dutch electronics manufacturer will bundle Songbird with its GoGear line of .mp3 players as the music management and sync tool. While this is good news for Songbird, there are is a catch.
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by emilsedgh on Sat 9th Jan 2010 21:08 UTC
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In my ideal world, there would be no file manager at all. A file manager can never be as good as my Amarok when managing music.

I'd like to see more powerfull specific-usecase-applications. like better music/photo/video/book/etc managers.

Anyway, i consider that good news. I guess we'll see more of that in future. I'd personally love to have my Amarok-based music-player.

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by Kroc on Sat 9th Jan 2010 21:32 in reply to "Mine"
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Like this? I think Thom is right that this is the file manager’s job and not for a monolithic bloated app.

As for the article, I asked Thom to write it up because I had nothing positive at all to say about it (I got slated for my negative review of Songbird 1.0). The fact it’s Songbird under the hood makes no difference—this just reeks of yet another piece of crapware bundled with a crap MP3 player.

This isn’t competing—it’s taking a crap on people’s harddrives.

It makes me want to bang my head on the desk with just how much Philips does. not. get. it.

And shame on you Songbird—where the f*ck are your balls? You tell Philips to show you the code or take a hike—there’s other free software players Philips can leech off of. You contribute, or you go elsewhere.

I had to downgrade from 1.4 back to 1.2 because the new skin is so awful on the Mac and because metadata editing stopped working. Songbird is a piece of crap, and I stand by my original review. It has no hope, and no clue.

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by Luminair on Sun 10th Jan 2010 03:34 in reply to "RE: Mine"
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haha "songbird is a piece of crap"

I like you son

hell you can f--k my girlfriend

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by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sun 10th Jan 2010 04:55 in reply to "RE: Mine"
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I'll admit I didn't like your initial review. I thought it would get better. It hasn't. Its slow, not very smart, focused on appearance rather than performance, a bad memory hog. I've stopped using it.

The one thing I do like, and would love to see in another media player is the general (default basic UI design). I like the old Music match library/playlist interface. I spent a day or two kicking around the source, trying to make a small, small change to it. The xul nature of its UI, makes everything more difficult than it should be for the sake of ui flexibility. I know some people obviously love xul, its just not my preference.

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by Cymro on Tue 12th Jan 2010 13:02 in reply to "RE: Mine"
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You could've downloaded the Gonzo 2.0 feather/skin to get your old look back.

Still, I wonder if Songbird needs better developers. It constantly seems like they're taking two steps forward and two steps back.

They started with a browser/music player years ago but have failed to optimise the music side of things so badly that it routinely hangs on clicking something, after taking an eternity to launch in the first place. It's better than it was, but that was a low benchmark.

They're continually rewriting things like the theming system but never meeting what's on the roadmap, and releasing versions where the only major new features are Windows-only.

At the same time, features have a habit of disappearing (like watch folders which disappeared for a year or two). I just noticed that the browser bizarrely no longer does bookmarks (there is an add-on though) That shouldn't happen!

On the other hand, a music player with a browser and Songbird's large collection of add-ons is an amazing thing. It's frustrating that they can't get the thing to launch quickly, scroll through some tracks and play some music without hanging for 10 seconds.

I really hope they can sort themselves out, but that depends more on whether the competition gives them the time. With time, I'm sure they will, but I reckon a bunch of talented developers would run circles around Songbird by using QT & WebKit.

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by UltraZelda64 on Sat 9th Jan 2010 22:16 in reply to "Mine"
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In my ideal world, there would be no file manager at all. A file manager can never be as good as my Amarok when managing music.

In other words, your filesystem would look like a tornado went through it, with random audio and video files everywhere, dumped in random (and/or mostly one) folder/directory. And you would make a media player application handle it all in some massive databases? In terms of efficiency and cleanliness, that sounds downright disgusting.

I'm glad I don't live in your ideal world. I like metadata such as audio file tags for certain information, but would *not* want to rely on it for organizing my files. That's what the file system is for--organizing files. I use such tags solely for more information on the song being played and the others in my playlist--and that's how it will likely always be. My hard drive's nice and cleanly organized.

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by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 9th Jan 2010 22:18 in reply to "RE: Mine"
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You're forgetting the vertical labels. His file names would be vertical.

Amarok shall forever burn in hell for having (had) vertical tabs

Edited 2010-01-09 22:18 UTC

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by emilsedgh on Sat 9th Jan 2010 22:23 in reply to "RE: Mine"
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Well, Amarok organizes my music files so clean. They are in a very well structured directories like ~/media/music/R/Radiohead/In Rainbows/01-15 steps.ogg

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