Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jul 2011 22:12 UTC
Microsoft "One of Microsoft's hottest new profit centers is a smartphone platform you've definitely heard of: Android. Google's Linux-based mobile operating system is a favorite target for Microsoft's patent attorneys, who are suing numerous Android vendors and just today announced that another manufacturer has agreed to write checks to Microsoft every time it ships an Android device. Microsoft's latest target is Wistron Corp., which has signed a patent agreement 'that provides broad coverage under Microsoft's patent portfolio for Wistron's tablets, mobile phones, e-readers and other consumer devices running the Android or Chrome platform', Microsoft announced." That's the reality we live in, folks. This is at least as criminal - if not more so - than Microsoft's monopoly abuse late last century. After the Nortel crap, it's completely left the black helicopter camp for me: Microsoft, Apple, and several others are working together to fight Android the only way they know how: with underhand mafia tactics. Absolutely sickening. Hey Anonymous, are you listening? YES I WENT THERE.
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RE[4]: Patents are patents
by BluenoseJake on Tue 5th Jul 2011 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Patents are patents"
BluenoseJake
Member since:
2005-08-11

They aren't killing Android, they are profiting from it, if it's bringing in millions a year, for absolutely no effort, MS would be stupid to do anything other than rattle a few cages, and make money for nothing, chicks for free. They rattled them for years against Linux, and it came to nothing, it'll come to nothing now.

Let them make their money, Android will survive anyway. Calling for an illegal response to something that is not identifiably illegal, now that's wrong. Wrong or right, MS is operating in the bounds of the legal system, it may be sleazy, but it might just be legal.

Calling on Anonymous isn't going to change the laws, but with MS money hunting the perpetrators, it will get some people arrested.

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 5th Jul 2011 23:17 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

You do realise that was tongue-in-cheek right? I thought the 'I went there' made that oretty clear.

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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by lucas_maximus on Tue 5th Jul 2011 23:24 in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

The the problem with the internet Thom, easy to misinterpret, there is no body language.

... "Yes I went there" ... suggests to me ... that you are actually pretty serious ... as in you are preparing to "go to the extreme" ...

Edited 2011-07-05 23:25 UTC

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

"I went there" means your serious. "I went there" mean you pointed out the elephant in the room that everyone has been avoiding talking about.

An I went there moment would be pointing out MS is working within the legal system, and they are doing what they can to maximize profits for their shareholders, which is the correct thing for them to do.

The joke also failed because some organization like Anonymous maybe the only way to get action on the issue of patent reform. No one is going to do us this favour, so we should probably get out there and do something.

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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by flanque on Wed 6th Jul 2011 07:42 in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
flanque Member since:
2005-12-15

That was your tongue?

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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by BluenoseJake on Wed 6th Jul 2011 09:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

It doesn't read "tongue-in-cheek" at all, it reads pissed off.

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by lemur2 on Tue 5th Jul 2011 23:39 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

They aren't killing Android, they are profiting from it, if it's bringing in millions a year, for absolutely no effort, MS would be stupid to do anything other than rattle a few cages, and make money for nothing, chicks for free. They rattled them for years against Linux, and it came to nothing, it'll come to nothing now. Let them make their money, Android will survive anyway. Calling for an illegal response to something that is not identifiably illegal, now that's wrong. Wrong or right, MS is operating in the bounds of the legal system, it may be sleazy, but it might just be legal. Calling on Anonymous isn't going to change the laws, but with MS money hunting the perpetrators, it will get some people arrested.


Gambling is legal too in many juisdictions, but people still get ripped off.

It is perfectly legitimate for people to complain against gambling, and try to get it banned, because it harms people. One could argue that this is the only humanitarian, moral thing to do.

Just because they system allows big business to rip people off is no reason why people should not complain about it and try to get it (example gambling) made illegal, or at least heavily constrained so that people are not harmed, as it should be.

Quite a good parallel exists with software patents.

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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by lucas_maximus on Wed 6th Jul 2011 00:15 in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
lucas_maximus Member since:
2009-08-18

Gambling is legal too in many juisdictions, but people still get ripped off.


Nobody forced them to gamble ... they didn't get ripped off ... most Casinos even explain the odds of you winning at any particular game ... if they still continue ... knowing that the odds are stacked against you ... that is their fault.

It is perfectly legitimate for people to complain against gambling, and try to get it banned, because it harms people. One could argue that this is the only humanitarian, moral thing to do.


If you are talking about the problems of addiction they are too complex to talk here ... but ...

Many things in life one can get addicted to and it can be harmful ... Food, Alcohol, Sex, Drugs etc etc ... should we ban them all?

Every adult is responsible for theirselves ... Children should be protected from these things ... but adults make their own choices ... and everyone has a choice how much they want to indulge in these things, if at all.

Just because they system allows big business to rip people off is no reason why people should not complain about it and try to get it (example gambling) made illegal, or at least heavily constrained so that people are not harmed, as it should be.


No-one is forcing anyone to go into a casino, bookmakers or sit at a fruitmachine ... much like nobody forces an alcoholic to go to the off-license.

Nobody is ripping anyone off.

Quite a good parallel exists with software patents


No it doesn't.

Edited 2011-07-06 00:23 UTC

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Flatland_Spider Member since:
2006-09-01

I think the analogy is backwards.

What we're talking about a prohibition on the use of ideas. Once something is prohibited, only the criminals and the corrupt benefited, and that is what we are seeing with software patents. The big businesses form cartels to collect money for the right use ideas, and they use fear and implied litigation to keep competitors off of their turf. All of this is fueled by a prohibition on the use of ideas. Take away the prohibition, and you take away the tools the cartels use to hold on to their market share.

You can't legislate human nature, but you can tax it and make a mint off of that golden goose. Legalizing gambling takes it out of shady backrooms where the proprietors know the law is on their side, and puts it into crappy casios which pay taxes.

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RE[6]: Patents are patents
by BluenoseJake on Wed 6th Jul 2011 09:13 in reply to "RE[5]: Patents are patents"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Complaining about something, and advocating illegal action against something, are two different things.

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RE[5]: Patents are patents
by viton on Wed 6th Jul 2011 16:08 in reply to "RE[4]: Patents are patents"
viton Member since:
2005-08-09

Android, properly supported by apps will be advantageous to WP7 anyway. MS can continue to use bully practice, but it might turn against them in future.

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