Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Jun 2013 15:33 UTC
Legal "The National Security Agency is currently collecting the telephone records of millions of US customers of Verizon, one of America's largest telecoms providers, under a top secret court order issued in April. The order, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, requires Verizon on an 'ongoing, daily basis' to give the NSA information on all telephone calls in its systems, both within the US and between the US and other countries. The document shows for the first time that under the Obama administration the communication records of millions of US citizens are being collected indiscriminately and in bulk - regardless of whether they are suspected of any wrongdoing." Hey Americans, welcome to the club. And here we were, afraid of Google!
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RE[2]: It gets worse
by darknexus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 05:28 UTC in reply to "RE: It gets worse"
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Open source software is not going to help here. Even if *you* use open source software, you're going to have contact with some of these services. Do you search with Google? Do any of your friends or family have Gmail addresses? Do you ever watch YouTube, use any social networks, mainstream IM services, etc? Do you ever make phone calls? Hell, do you even use the internet at all?
If you answer yes to any one of these, you're screwed whether you use open source or not, because any monitoring can be done on the network and server end of the system. They don't need a back door into your operating system, and wouldn't care about it if they had it. They want what you share, what you say, and to whom it is said and they can get any of that through any of these major networks you brush against. Bothering with your individual computer would just be a pain in their ass especially when it's not necessary.
It's time for techies to readjust their thinking. The platform war plays no part in this struggle; it's now a battle of services and privacy. Whether your devices run open source or not is irrelevant; it's the servers that count.

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RE[3]: It gets worse
by gfg233 on Fri 7th Jun 2013 09:31 in reply to "RE[2]: It gets worse"
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You're right it is mostly about services. I'm talking about open source services or otherwise but most importantly hosted outside the US by non US companies, perhaps outside any government zone. There will be a proliferation of new service providers, particularly with increasing demand to get out of using spied on gmail/hotmail email providers.

Separately, I do think given this will also be an opportunity for a company like Mozilla to gain some market share in mobile technology since no one will trust anything Google or Apple do anymore.

Edited 2013-06-07 09:36 UTC

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RE[4]: It gets worse
by darknexus on Fri 7th Jun 2013 21:10 in reply to "RE[3]: It gets worse"
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Even if tservices are open source, your ISP isn't. And as I said, are you going to refuse to have contact with your family based on the services they use? It doesn't matter how open your platform is, if it communicates with others that are not. Even if you develop a fully open source email service right now that anyone can use for free, the instant anyone sends a message to a service that is being monitored, they then have a record of it. And, are you going to look through every line of code that is running on said service if you aren't the developer? Open source can have just as many back doors put into it if no one bothers to give the code a quality audit.

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