Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Sep 2013 19:21 UTC
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Steam Family Sharing allows close friends and family members to play one another's games while earning their own Steam achievements and saving their own game progress to the Steam cloud. It's all enabled by authorizing a shared computer.

Sounds neat, but it does look convoluted and complex. I have a simpler system, which is quite revolutionary. It's called physical copies and I can just give them to friends. It's magic.

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RE: Good Old Games
by Morgan on Wed 11th Sep 2013 20:11 UTC in reply to "Good Old Games"
Morgan
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2005-06-29

I'd say it violates the trust GOG.com places in you to not do what you just admitted, so yes, I would say it's wrong. Given how cheap the games are on that site, you could probably outfit your entire family and circle of friends with legitimate copies of a game for around the same price as a console game that can only be played on one screen at a time.

They advertise DRM-free games to attract those who oppose DRM-laden software on principle, not necessarily those who would take advantage of their model. Though I'm sure they are well aware that customers who "cheat" the system do exist. More than once when searching for info on my favorite old games on Google, I'd come across a torrent link to a GOG.com version of a game.

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RE[2]: Good Old Games
by ssokolow on Wed 11th Sep 2013 20:48 in reply to "RE: Good Old Games"
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2010-01-21

I'd say it violates the trust GOG.com places in you to not do what you just admitted, so yes, I would say it's wrong. Given how cheap the games are on that site, you could probably outfit your entire family and circle of friends with legitimate copies of a game for around the same price as a console game that can only be played on one screen at a time.

They advertise DRM-free games to attract those who oppose DRM-laden software on principle, not necessarily those who would take advantage of their model. Though I'm sure they are well aware that customers who "cheat" the system do exist. More than once when searching for info on my favorite old games on Google, I'd come across a torrent link to a GOG.com version of a game.


While I agree that torrents of GOG.com games aren't very nice, they're not really anything special when you consider how easy it is to find non-GOG games with NoCD cracks.

While I accept that multiple simultaneous players off a single GOG.com copy is iffy (though I respect nobody more than "up to three players per Warcraft 2 CD"-era Blizzard on that front), just installing it on multiple PCs at once isn't anything special.

As long as everyone is playing different games, it's just the modern version of buying a bunch of Gameboy cartridges or CD-ROMs to share among your family members... and if you disapprove of that or think it can be stopped, you're either blinded by privilege or a fool.

(Heck, my brothers do that with their Steam games. One will log onto his Steam account, then go offline. Then, he'll tell the other brother his password so he can log in and go offline.)

Even if I did agree with your philosophical viewpoint, that assumes that we actually can afford to pay more. There are a lot of working poor in the U.S.A., Canada, and various other locales.

(I stopped watching Extra Credits when I encountered the apalling sense of entitlement and disconnection from normal people's budgets that they displayed in their episode on piracy. Not everyone can justify buying a new $60 game every month!)

Second, if I did somehow agree with your viewpoint enough that I was unwilling to risk installing a GOG game on more than one PC in case two people might accidentally play it at the same time, I'd either buy used CD-ROMs (since they tend to require the CD in the drive to play) or not buy games at all. (After all, no matter what the EULA says, everyone with any sense knows it's ludicrous to expect a family to only install a CD-ROM that already does a "disk in drive" check on a single PC at a time when you can treat them like GameBoy cartridges.)

Of course, since most of the games I play these days are from Humble Bundles, I don't think that's an issue. They actually mention installing on more than one machine in your house when explaining why "DRM-free" is a reason the Humble Bundles are good... if that's not implicit approval, I don't know what is.

...though, honestly, I play games so little these days that the $5-15 per month I spend is more as a patron of the arts than anything else. My main source of entertainment is stuff that the creators give away for free like fanfiction and webcomics or hobbies I can engage in for free, like learning new programming languages.

Edited 2013-09-11 21:06 UTC

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RE[3]: Good Old Games
by darknexus on Wed 11th Sep 2013 21:23 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Old Games"
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2008-07-15

(I stopped watching Extra Credits when I encountered the apalling sense of entitlement and disconnection from normal people's budgets that they displayed in their episode on piracy. Not everyone can justify buying a new $60 game every month!)

Fine, then you don't need it. Find alternate games (which it seems you do) or go without. It's not a life necessity, and I'd say those who claim they should pirate it because they can't afford it are the ones displaying a sense of entitlement. You're life isn't going to end because you have to wait a few months to buy a friggin' game. First world problems, indeed.

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RE[3]: Good Old Games
by Morgan on Wed 11th Sep 2013 22:32 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Old Games"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

As long as everyone is playing different games, it's just the modern version of buying a bunch of Gameboy cartridges or CD-ROMs to share among your family members... and if you disapprove of that or think it can be stopped, you're either blinded by privilege or a fool.


Actually I agree with you on this, and I'm pretty sure GOG would too. My reply to ptman was simply providing a viewpoint in answer to his question. I never said I was right, just that it was how I saw the situation.

And I'm with you on the insane price of console games too, though actually it's always been pretty high; I remember my brother and I saving up money for weeks to buy Final Fantasy VI (FF3 here in the US) for the SNES for $70, and we took turns playing the same save game since we both "owned" it.

And hey, maybe I'm just as guilty: A few weeks ago my 12 year old niece wanted to start playing "real" Minecraft (she had been playing on her tablet but was curious about the PC version) so I logged in on her computer and showed her around, and never even thought about deleting the game afterward. According to my sister she still plays on my account, though she is saving up for her own account. Since I haven't logged in and played for a couple of months on my own computer, I doubt Mojang even cares...but you could say that that makes me just as "guilty" as ptman and his family sharing of GOG games.

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RE[2]: Good Old Games
by WereCatf on Thu 12th Sep 2013 17:14 in reply to "RE: Good Old Games"
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2006-02-15

I'd say it violates the trust GOG.com places in you to not do what you just admitted, so yes, I would say it's wrong.


I haven't read their ToS or anything, but actually I believe you're fully in your rights to share your games with your family-members. I really doubt the folks at GOG are against such. Hell, I'll ask them.

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RE[3]: Good Old Games
by Morgan on Thu 12th Sep 2013 17:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Good Old Games"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

You're probably right, I just wonder if they make a distinction between family under the same roof vs family across town, or across the country. I took the hard line in my response to ptman but really it's open to interpretation.

I'm really curious to know what they say!

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