“Hyperion Entertainment is pleased to announce that AmigaOS 4.0 for PowerPC equipped Amiga 1200/3000/4000’s has gone gold and should be available for sale around 30 November depending on location. Further information can be found here. Prospective customers are once more encouraged to verify the (regularly updated) compatibility list prior to purchase. AmigaOS 4.0 for classic Amiga’s will be distributed worldwide by Acube Systems.”
Screenshots can be found on this page: http://www.acube-systems.com/eng/software.php
wahay…
I wonder if Duke Nukem Forever will be released on it?
No, all kidding aside this is pretty sweet.. but I have to wonder just how many of you left are actually still wanting/able to use the platform?
oh come on
I was hardly trolling but it will be much nicer once we have some real hardware to install this on yes?
I didn’t mod you down, and yes I agree with you.
I doubt anything’s going to change anytime soon…
no.
When will ACube release a consumer version of their PPC board?
This does not run on the ACube nor the AmigaONE. Amiga OS 4 is a legal minefield guys,cevat emptor
I’ve not had much to do with the Amiga scene in over a decade, but since when were PowerPC-based Amigas termed “classic”!?
I read the headline and thought AmigaOS 4 had been released for 68k-based Amigas
Yeah, why dropping 68k support ? 🙁
At least Haiku will someday run on 68k :p
Hey, MMU-Man… mind explaining what that whole 68K stuff in Haiku is all about? How do you ever figure ANYONE will get Haiku to run on an Atari 1040ST or 68K Mac or Amiga? Who is going to write a driver for the video chips of the Mac, Atari or Amiga?
It seems, to me, to be one of the biggest wastes of time I’ve ever seen, assuming it is just code that will never see actual implementation and is just taking up source code space.
Sure, there’s “learning by doing”, but why not keep it on your own system, not take up valuable space on the Haiku source tree.
My belief is that, if it doesn’t DIRECTLY benefit Haiku as an OS, then it shouldn’t be in the source tree at all.
Then again, maybe I’m missing something…
We now return you to our regularly scheduled programming of… “AmigaOS 4 on Classic 68K Amigas that MUST have a PPC processor board to actually USE AmigaOS 4!”
Speaking of which, who still makes ANYTHING for the Amiga these days? Anyone still making upgrade boards and such for Classic Amigas or is it just a “get what you can find, wherever you can find it” type situation?
I fully agree. My first reaction was Wow, after clicking on the Compatibility list, it was. Bull!
Ether Acube systems has no clue what a Classic Amiga is, or it’s simply misinforming people. Pretty Lame :-p
Though it seems AROS isn’t either maintaining their 68k version 🙁
Although I share your disappointment, I think we must get realistic. The Classic Amiga is over two decades old. We can’t seriously expect someone to work on a recent OS for it thought.
I still have a hardware hacked A500 running (AmigaOS 1.3 and 2.4 – yup two kickstart roms) and occasionally I still run OctaMED Pro 5f. Retro games are played frequently, using UAE.
It was a great machine for it’ s time, but times have changed. And for an old tracker like me, any modern machine will do 😉
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You are living in the past…
Modern Amiga trackers have 16bit audio capabilities and UNLIMITED tracks…
And there are new generation trackers, like Hively Tracker for example that are based on AHX format, adding multichannel support, 2 commands per note, ring modulation, a much better editor, and more…
http://www.hivelytracker.com/
Your Old Good Amiga couldn’t manage that…
Modern PPC Amigas do it, and AmigaOS and modern trackers still leave enough resources and horsepower to do other things while multitasking in the meanwhile…
X86 it is not necessary. All horsepower of X86 it is lost to run Windows elephantiac OS
MWAHAHAHAHAH!
Ehi Microsoft, realize a lighter Windows for modern X86 next time… 😉
It will run flawlessly and give all horsepower for SERIOUS applications… Yeah!
Coming back to Amiga:
All just we need it is a more horse-powered overpumped GigaHertzed PPC processor to do some videoediting and 3D rendering…
Else even a 1GHz (max 1,42GHZ) PPC it is pretty good to run AmigaOS, doing some internet browsing, photo editing, seeing DVDs, and… Why not? It is good to do some music with modern trackers.
P.S. And trakcing with Amiga gives you more fun than tracking on PC and Linux.
Enjoy Amiga.
Edited 2007-11-27 11:14
ex. Amiga 1200 + Blizzard PPC
Detail == “+Blizzard PPC”
nevali : Why are you desappointed about the drop of 68k-only support, you say you don’t use Amiga since 10 years !
More, it was never promised to keep 68k in the supported architecture, so this is not a surprise. And support of 68k would be a nonsense.
This release is NOT for PowerPC based Amiga’s it’s for 68k based Amiga’s with PPC accelerators. A1200 upwards by all accounts
What do they mean by “goes Gold”? In the music industry an album is certified “Gold” after selling 500,000 copies.
I glanced over the Hardware Compatibility list. Can you actually buy any of those motherboards retail?
“What do they mean by “goes Gold”? In the music industry an album is certified “Gold” after selling 500,000 copies.”
I take it you’ve never heard of “Golden Master”? I believe that is the term used when a program/OS/app is finalized and off to be duplicated for retail sale.
That’s what they meant by “goes Gold”.
Thanks. No I’ve never heard of that, but that’s obviously what was meant in the title. I just ~knew~ they didn’t sell a half-million copies of OmegaOS 4.
PowerPC are like punks…There is no future with them and as a chain effect, no future for the AmigaOS. Go for X86. It’s plain and simple but I guess it’s tooooo late for that. Nobody but hard fans want to buy an outdated 1.2 ghz processor @ 312 € IF they managed to find one. Theses peoples are living in the past.
I think some of you are missing the point of “love”
I mean whqt is the problem with you ? The remaining amiga crowd are still using this system because they love it. Some want to improve this sytem, what to make new things, make it evolve, no problem with that.
Amiga is an hobby platform for guys which love it, that’s all.
Like people still using CPCs or C64s and developing new OSes on their platforms.
Go with AROS,HAIKU,BEOS,GEOS,AMIGAOS, etc.
I still use my CPC
x86 won’t do the job. Neither will PowerPC, but they’re stubbornly stuck to the “If Apple does it, we will do”. Worst thing is, AmigaOS *did* go x86 years ago, then the IP holding company sued their own OS distributor into oblivion.
“x86 won’t do the job. Neither will PowerPC”
Indeed, everyone knows that Amiga requires a quantum operation unit that is only supported on processors built on a special AsS process (Sulphur Arsenide, also know by its isotopic name “unobtanium”). Plus the power supply requires flux capacitors for proper time travel operation.
Anyhow, what I want to know is how these companies manage to pay the developers working on this OS. The market, or whatever it is left of the user base, must be tiny. And with no revenues to speak of, so I just want to know where they get the revenue stream to afford “development” this OS has been like 8 yrs late, so they must have managed to get money somewhere to pay the people coding this thing. Or are they simply going through/burning some dumb investor’s money?
Edited 2007-11-24 22:27
“”x86 won’t do the job. Neither will PowerPC”
Indeed, everyone knows that Amiga requires a quantum operation unit that is only supported on processors built on a special AsS process (Sulphur Arsenide, also know by its isotopic name “unobtanium”). Plus the power supply requires flux capacitors for proper time travel operation. ”
I just ment that Amiga’s software is endian-fixed so migrating to x86 would cause a ton of problems. PowerPC lacks enough industry support to make a viable 3rd party offering.
I would suggest Amiga looks elsewhere, to focus on their strengths. MIPS, ARM, SPARC, and SuperH offers them more of what they need, and are cost-efficient enough to make it worth the effort, IMHO.
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I just ment that Amiga’s software is endian-fixed so migrating to x86 would cause a ton of problems. PowerPC lacks enough industry support to make a viable 3rd party offering.
I would suggest Amiga looks elsewhere, to focus on their strengths. MIPS, ARM, SPARC, and SuperH offers them more of what they need, and are cost-efficient enough to make it worth the effort, IMHO.”
The PPC has as much or more traction in the embedded market as the processors that you mentioned up there. Why on earth would they consider yet another embedded processor as the target for a desktop OS?
Designing a new platform is orders of magnitude tougher than rewriting an OS with the correct “endianess”
“The PPC has as much or more traction in the embedded market as the processors that you mentioned up there. Why on earth would they consider yet another embedded processor as the target for a desktop OS?
Designing a new platform is orders of magnitude tougher than rewriting an OS with the correct “endianess””
The OS is not where the endian-issues lie, AROS shows that. It is that you would break every application by switching endian (as the design is endian-sensitive), there is your issue.
And PPC having more traction than ARM or MIPS? Um…. I suppose it depends on what you define as embedded, because most of the machines I run across are running either ARM or MIPS cpu’s as of late.
Huh, you would break every application by switching to different ISA’s already. So why bother so much about endinaness?
Also, beware that qualitative arguments like “every machine you run across” is a minefield. Your own personal experience does not represent the reality of the computing field. The volume of PPC shipped in embedded application rivals MIPS and ARM. Never mind that IBM owns the console market, thus throwing a few hundred million units to the mix…
“Huh, you would break every application by switching to different ISA’s already. So why bother so much about endinaness? ”
One layer of emulation is faster than 2, would you not agree? Translating ISA’s JIT is a lot easier when you don’t need to endian switch regularly, I would think. But, that is just what the OS designers I worked with told me when it came to the step to PowerPC in the first place. I just trust them at their word.
” Also, beware that qualitative arguments like “every machine you run across” is a minefield. Your own personal experience does not represent the reality of the computing field. The volume of PPC shipped in embedded application rivals MIPS and ARM. Never mind that IBM owns the console market, thus throwing a few hundred million units to the mix…”
While you might be correct, how many vendors shipped for each? I’ve had a lot of negative experience with a lack of supplys for PowerPC, namely of support chipsets. Now, the SoC PPC’s, those are nice, altho then you’re tied in other ways.
Then again, there are far more interesting things to argue over.
Back when this OS4 business started (5 years ago, was it?), it was all about rich content delivery to mobile phones. The desktop AmigaOS was just going to be a development platform and a toy for hobbyists. It seems there was investment involved, and a few acquisitions right out of the gate.
The recent lawsuit and the Kent stadium fiasco have brought to light how little they have and what kind of games they’ve been playing to keep afloat (are they Amiga, Inc. of Washington, or Amino Corp. this week?).
I think it’s only a matter of time before all this catches up to them and they have to throw in the towel.
Yes, it’s great how lots & lots of OSes work on x86 when compared to PPC where you require specific hardware to run certain OSes.
It’ll never happen, but I believe a better move for AmigaOS is to be released to one or more of the following:
I) x86 II) x86 Intel Macs III) PPC Macs
Because the hardware platforms above are easier to get a hold of & there are more computer users out there. Makes more sense to me then trying to support outdated Amiga hardware with small userbase.
Or an alternative idea is to have a company design & manufacture newer PPC hardware that will be supported by both AmigaOS & MorphOS. Company would probably have to be Genesi since they develop MorphOS.
I searched through OSNEWS and found Thom was thinking the same thing. That AmigaOS released for old, outdated Amiga hardware is bad move.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php/14118/Amiga-Get-Your-Head-Out-of-th…
I just read Thom’s article. Good one.
Also noticed that Genesi was saying they’d port AmigaOS to Efika themselves. Which I’d say is highly doubtful because of legal issues ( & maybe technical too ). Though it’d be cool to have AmigaOS work on newer & available hardware. But I’d like to see Efika’s with better hardware specs because they appear to be underpowered.
http://osnews.com/story.php/17067/Genesi-We-Will-Release-Both-Amiga…
PS MorphOS 1.4.5 will run on the Amiga’s I listed in my previous post but I should point out that MorphOS is now at version 2.0 which works only on Genesi hardware.
Amiga 4000T w/PPC card, Amiga 3000 w/PPC card, Amiga 1200 w/PPC card are able to run both AmigaOS 4 and MorphOS 1.4.5. Which I think is really cool. No other PPC hardware can run both of these OSes.
This is because MorphOS supports the hardware listed above plus Efika & PegasosPPC. And AmigaOS supports only that listed above. AROS should also work too but only through Linux.
http://powerup.morphos-team.net/
Having one of the systems above would allow someone to run natively AmigaOS, MorphOS, AROS ( through Linux ), and Linux OS. And maybe even MacOS through emulation?
It is unfortunate, though understandable, that AmigaOS, MorphOS & MacOS are tied to specific hardware instead of working on generic PPC systems.
People.
I used to be a die hard fan of Amiga.
But you have to look realistic on it.
In todays society, price is what counts.
those above CPU’s like SPARC and ARM mentioned
are way to special to be affordable for the general
population.
Our biggest argument against the X86 family used to be
that of multitasking. With the speed of these CPU’s and the fact they are dual core most of them or even increasing in number of cores, eliminates the need for a specific hardware that should be “Amiga”.
Personally, I would rater want to run my AmigaOS on my current hardware, than pay 10.000 NOK to buy a new motherboard just to run an OS.
Its time to face the facts. Getting custom made hardware and call it “an new Amiga” is no longer relevant.
Let them develop the OS.
To be perfectly honest, knowing that Linux have evolved to be very userfriendly, and aswell get support from the major distributiors of hardware and software.
..who would buy AmigaOS if it required dedicated hardware but the enthusiasts?.
Do you really think Amiga makes the numbers in money needed to substain itself from the current Amiga community?. Read the labels of their newest games and applications and ports “require WindowsXP”.
Imagine what a struggle they would end up with, if they now released a new OS onto the market. They would not need to fight Microsoft, no..Microsoft are dominant and have tonns of money to back it with. They would have to fight LINUX, which is FREE.
Do you really think a company like Amiga, who dont want to share their source code would have a chance against an Operating system like LINUX?…which is free?…
Linux struggle on their side getting enough support for hardware and software; do you really think Amiga would be able to walk in and say …hello, we demand support for our OS NOW!.
Sadly no. They would be laughed at as they now bring out an operating system that just now have come with “new” features and functions the market now takes for granted as being part of an operating system.
I like Amiga. the Idea and charm behind it. But coming here wining because they did not make OS4 available for 68k is just damn silly. Reason?..already stated by Hyperion and developers, the 68k arcitecture is to slow, and does not open for the possibilities of a modern system.
I had my CyberstormPPC card finally finnished getting repaired 2 years ago. Have tested it. And then put my A4k under the shelfs. Just ordered Kickstart3.1 for it, but i am damn scared of turning it on. Afterall, the thing is 14 years old, and could go up in smoke anytime you put power through it.
But guys, nerds, gurus, etc of the Amiga scene.
x86 is the dominant CPU techonolgy currently.
Its become CHEAP and AFFORDABLE for everyone, and it
makes perfect sense to wanting to make AmigaOS native for the X86 family.
Amiga would gain alot of potential customers that way, and might actually manage to pay their bills.
but they have previously stated that AmigaOS4 will be the LAST of their classic OS’s as they are currently developing a “multi-platform-OS”…which i think is great, because it means they know how to revive the
Amiga.
By going out to the mass market with it.
Toffy
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“those above CPU’s like SPARC and ARM mentioned are way to special to be affordable for the general population. ”
$7 for a CPU is too expensive you’re saying?
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What developed Amiga Inc.?
Amiga Inc. developed nothing for years…
AmigaOS was developed by Hyperion VOF Belgium under license….
Amiga Inc. never released anything related to REAL Amiga rather than vaporware…
Even AmigaDE, AmigaAnywhere are just a product like JAVA, which has nothing in common with Amiga except the name…
All they could do it is blathering some strange statements like:
– “Next AmigaOS 5.0 will be better than macOS X Leopard!”
And saying things so stupid and out of their real production and marketing capabilities Amiga Inc. made fun of theirselves worldwide…
They litterally destroy the reputation of REAL Amiga, letting people laugh of the entire idea of Amiga Platform, and making collapsing the reputation of the users, and the reputation and credibility of all the firms which really spended all their brave best efforts in keeping this platform alive.
Double post.
Edited and deleted.
Sorry folks…
Edited 2007-11-30 16:17