DistroWatch is reporting that the first release candidate of the new Mandrake Linux 9.1 has started appearing on some of the Mandrake mirrors.
Mandrake Linux 9.1 RC1 Released
About The Author
Eugenia Loli
Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli
Final Release.
Final Release.
This period, “Final” may be a hard word for Mandrake ;-)))
But this leave pending a very hard question. If Mandrake sinks, which will be the next favorite distro of the Linux trolls ?
I don’t think Xavier is trolling. He has a valid question. Red Hat can’t be a Mandrake replacement because it does not use a standard KDE and the RH/KDE relationship is like a bad hangover. SuSE uses a standard KDE and is probably the next closest thing to Mandrake but it’s not free to download. Lindows is too proprietary. Others (Xandros, Lycoris) are not mature enough or fully standards based. Maybe SLackware is next in line.
This is no longer Mandrake related, It’s politics.
Which is your favorite distro? Is it Lindows, or maybe Windblows?
Jesus H Christ, get a fucking life! Grow up and call it by its name. It’s not Microsux, it’s Microsoft. It’s not Winblows, it’s Windows. Do you really feel that you’re too 1337 to even utter the fucking name? Nobody thinks it’s witty or funny, it doesn’t gain you any favor or non-existant karma, and it just makes people ignore your opinion because you’re too fucking ignorant to argue with. Although I guess that’s best, considering the only thing you have to say about Microsoft or Windows is that you can’t say it.
I think newcomer Yoper would have a good shot at Mandrake’s crown. There’s already a lot of positive buzz about it.
Euginia,
Please remove the above non-issue related comments…
the moment you go to sleep…trolls have a field day!.
Come on, guys…stick to the topic..
Regards,
Arm
In the abscence of a peer moderation system (I have a feeling poor Eugenia is a bit busy to moderate everything!), you guys are on your honor to not post trolls. Xavier, nobody cares if you don’t like Linux. Your venting make it quite clear that you don’t like Linux. Unless you have specific points you want to discuss, please stop trolling.
I agree with most of what you said. I disagree on the Slackware part though. Good though it may be, its definately not for the average joe or non linux super user. Ive been a pretty big fan of SuSE, but I dont like the way they do everything, and charging big bucks for their pro releases is one of them. I played around with KDE 3.1 in RH 8.1 beta and it seems to be far less molested than it was in 8.0…..though I could be wrong. Im holding out hope that RH8.1 will be much more KDE friendly, so far I like what I see.
//…and it just makes people ignore your opinion because you’re too fucking ignorant to argue with.//
Kinda like when we ignore folks who can’t post without using vulgarity.
Ding!
Suse charges 80 bucks for the Pro version, while RedHat charges 150 (or something close).
“Suse charges 80 bucks for the Pro version, while RedHat charges 150 (or something close).”
At your local Best Buy yes. But, the bazillion mirrors around the world with free access to all the RH distros including betas doesnt cost a dime. SuSE makes no such offering. Dont get me wrong though…..Im actually running SuSE 8.1 here at work and at home. It truely is a top notch distro…arguably the best.
PLEASE stop talking off topic political, or I will ban your IPs, not just moderate you down. This story is about Mandrake, keep your political agends for Kuro5hin. We are not interested in your opinions about politics.
eekkk sorry Eugenia.
*will keep quiet*
//SuSE makes no such offering. Dont get me wrong though…..Im actually running SuSE 8.1 here at work and at home. It truely is a top notch distro…arguably the best.//
Is that still true? I heard you *could* download the SuSE iso’s … tho maybe not the most current versions.
Maybe I’m wrong.
I find it funny that the minute you make negative comments about Linux and its users the Linux zealots accuse you of being pro-Microsoft, as if it’s some sort of heinous crime.
Well Linux zealots, I find NT-based Windows operating systems (W2K, XP) to be the best desktop operating system available. My servers were running Solaris or FreeBSD. My laptop runs OS X.
I’m sure Xavier enjoys one of these or one of the other excellent operating systems available.
Yet he insults Linux and you instantly, unabashedly, and confusingly dub him a “Win98 troll”
Stop overreacting when someone says something about Linux and/or its infuriatingly annoying and overzealous userbase. Linux isn’t the be-all or end-all of operating systems. In fact, it’s one of the easiest operating systems to brush aside and ignore.
Since you pointed people to Kuro5hin, here a spring board link (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/2/12/20321/1900) for those that want to pick up where they left off. Best I can tell, it’s the most current link that applies to the politics at hand.
Now then, back on topic.
I’m not exactly sure why people would be ruling RedHat out. It’s “desktop” capabilties have certainly come a long ways. Certainly, it may not be everyone’s favorite but surely there are hearts to be won over to the RedHat camp should the worst come to be with Mandrake (nooooo).
You cant download the latest SuSE ISOs. Generally they make 1 or 2 versions older ISOs available , which is really pointless if you ask me. They do offer an FTP install of their latest, but tell me that wouldnt be the most painful and excrutiating experience. I also like playing with betas too. Just a hobby Ive enjoyed all the many years Ive been into computers. SuSE is one of the only ones that doesnt release any beta let alone even tell you when a new version might be expected and what to expect from that new version. Ive been playing with the RH8.1 beta and it really has me excited. Tons of new features/software and many new refinements. Wish I could see what SuSE had in the pipeline.
I wouldn’t wanna crawl osnews for other statements Xavier made so far, but to me it is obvious that he only made a sarcastic/humorous comment – there is actually no single word against Linux as such. If you had the overview what’s being said here and there, you would certainly know that Mandrake has reach some stage where people more and more say that the ones who swear by it are not “really in the know”, more like some sort of new wanna-be Linux-insiders… I don’t want to judge that, but I think he picked up on that “for those who know” in this context, if you like. If you didn’t figure by yourself, I am more than happy to tell you that the majority of you peeps have proven not to comply with minimum standards of humor and sarcasm since I came here, that is since Eugenia “took over” Osnews – think about it… I beleive that Xavier does know about Linux, uses it and that your comments are plain lame, prove me wrong…
somewhat off topic.
i’ve been using the mandrake firewall..MNF..and it absolutely destroys a linksys firewall/router in all ways.
i took an old p120, slapped an extra NIC in it (total of two), installed from the ISO.
it destroys any of the firewall/router boxes from linksys,dlink, netgear etc.
nice web front end, point & click for everything.
if mandrake does really go…i will be sad to see them go.
This sounds like it’s going to be Redhat but with a stronger focus on KDE. Sounds great (especially if you can use RPM’s made for Redhat).
>> Maybe SLackware is next in line
No, I think Yoper or Suse will be next in line.
I run Suse 8.1 and Mandrake 9.0 on my system. I really really like Suse 8.1. Currently, http://www.linuxiso.org offers downloads of a Suse 8.1 live-eval version, the highest installable version they have is 7.3. This is a real shame, because after the demise of Mandrake, I thought that Suse would become the cutting edge of Linux. Perhaps by version 10 Suse might do what Red Hat does, and allow free downloads so that Suse can lead Linux foward into the future.
For getting a SuSE iso, should’nt just
wget -rc http://.… ,
and then using mkisofs work?
or am I wrong?
Guys, give it a rest. Most people who frequent OSNews have no interest in this seemingly unending discussion about trolls. I’m sick of the *word* “troll” now.
An april release is what is mentioned on cooker list. Ofcourse, it will be release when it is ready or it can’t be delayed anymore. April date may be skipped. It escapes me why they go for the “rc” tag instead of continuing with “beta” if they indeed expect it to be two months away from release. I guess the “rc” means “beta for general public”, instead of “this is what we are planning to release unless you find last minute showstopper bugs” now.
If mandrake goes under, you can use their basic distro to roll your own. It is fully GPLed. Also it uses nothing egzotic, RPM, KDE, Redhat where not LSB… It is easy enough to maintain. That’s a non issue. Actually you can fork mandrake right at this moment if you are so inclined.
Arklinux froze at 1.0alpha6 (H20) for some reason. Perhaps they just didn’t compile new CDs, as it is -supposedly- very easy to update the system. Also their mailing list (general, not developer)is very silent.
Gentoo lately is sssllooooowwwwly becoming a user friendly distro. With advent of precompiled packages for big packs, I can see someone fixing an installer for it in my crystal ball. That might be a reflection, though. Therein lies your answer Xavier.
I totally agree with Bascule:)
win2k is the best desktop OS around. I run Solaris and FreeBSD on my servers. I found life much easier when i threw all my Linux CDs in the trash and never touched it again:)
Linux is not gods gift to operating systems. It is just a hacked together clone of UNIX with open source software thrown on top. There is far too much bickering and hype in the Linux community. Linux seems to attract all the anal retentive zealots on the planet.
I wouldn’t go that far. I would say the vast majority of Linux users get on with life and don’t even need to mention Microsoft and a put-down in the same sentence. For me, I’ve found Windows 2000, Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris all very stable, however, I when with Linux because of its speedy development.
Now, I am not going to bash FreeBSD. Heck, I ran it for a year and a half, however, from what I have seen, FreeBSD 5.0 has ground to a halt. Nothing happening on the KSE front, fucking around on the SMP front, bicking and kicking people out in the core development team because someone is acting like an asshole whilst completely forgetting the fact that they contribute alot of bloody code to the project.
I’ve looked on the Linux 2.6 front and all I see is break neck development. 2.6 now has Native POSIX threading, pre-emptiveness, scalability equaling and sometimes exceeding that of AIX.
Yet, on the other had, KSE is dead. No activity, no development. Just reading the status report by Scott was the last nail in the coffin. FreeBSD need to get their bloody shit together and start producing some results. Simply sitting on the side lines complaining about the economy, the stars and moon not being inlined or the number of people who’ve jumped onto the mystical “Linux bandwagon” isn’t going to speed up development any faster.
In 6months time KSE won’t be finished, SMP will still be a half assed effort, more contributors have been kicked out and development has grounded to a halt.
… In 6months time KSE won’t be finished, SMP will still be a half assed effort, more contributors have been kicked out and development has grounded to a halt.
If you are going to argue and insult people, please use proper grammer and get your tenses right.
but he has a point… FreeBSD does seem a little behind if you’re into the latest software technology… i guess the FreeBSD crowd don’t mind as much… as long as its stable…
interesting point… what will i use if mandrake produce no more distros… my own main requirements are in order of importance:
* good hardware auto-detection and configuration
* customised (mandrake-ised) software
* good large and up-to-date set of software packages available
* good dafault (desktop, menus, … ) configuration
debians too far old… slackware has no hardware auto-config, redhat are not KDE friendlt and don’t do i586 optimisations for all packages, suse do things differetly, gentoo is good but i’d have to allocate about half an hour a day to recompile updates, … which leaves me with minor distros… and the problem with them is not enough critical mass for community support and software packagers….
i hope something emerfges… or even better… the same mandrake people continue on a non-commercial path … and continue producing the distro as if nothing had happened…
win2k is the best desktop…for what?
just period?
for games….it sucks. (98se or xp is far better choice)
for admin of unix servers? please. it sucks. why would you admin your unix servers from an os with half-baked posix compliance?
for pro audio applications? ha hahhahahah
3d apps? ok…i’ll give you 1/2 point in your column now…3d max does perform much better under 2k then xp. but look at all the studios! they are running their pro opengl stuff under linux. their “hacked together linux” is performing faster then their sgi stuff. the number of studios that have switched their desktops are HUGE..and the IT people at ILM surely know a little about computers…or are you just so superior, that you know something they do not?
office productivity? ok. next time i see your resume come in for our open secretary positions…i’ll definitely keep you mind…and i’ll make sure you get your win2k desktop if i hire you.
all in all, i have to laugh at you.
first you proclaim linux is hacked together (first indication of ignorance), then you claim windows 2000 is THE DESKTOP OPERATING SYSTEM? (another whopper)
windows 2000 apparently helps you do what you need to do, which is fine by me. had you just said “i’m very productive in windows 2000” …you would not heard a peep out of me.
i use freebsd on the desktop, and it suffices for MY needs..but you don’t see my standing up and shouting “freebsd is THE DESKTOP OS!”
i’d be a moron to do that.
Mac OS 9 is a better desktop os then windows 2000 for crying out loud.
windows xp (cleaned up & optimized) is a better desktop os then windows 2000.
OS X is no doubt a better desktop os.
and for me, i’ve created great desktops from freebsd & redhat.
windows 2000 is a straight forward & decent operating system…but lets not get carried away.
People talk about FreeBSD as if it were on its last limb, but I’d say that Mandrake is a helluva lot closer to extinction than FreeBSD
Even if 9.1 turns out to relatively bug-free (something that Mandrake doesn’t seem to be known for), I’m not sure I’d want to really get into a distro that won’t be around 6 months from now.
Instead of being a smart ass little shit head, how about do a point by point debate or would that expose your pathetic knowledge to say the least.
FreeBSD has a great potential, too bad there isn’t someone in the core development team willing to crack the whip a little start setting some goals.
For example, why not have a KSE hack-a-thon? get it sponsored by OpenSound, ApplixWare, Dell, HP and numerous other hardware and software vendors. Offer rewards, incentives to those who contribute the most, fix the most complicated bug, etc etc. There needs to be a motivating factor to encourage people to contribute. Simply sitting on the side lines declaring that only those who are worthy should contribute isn’t going to move development any faster or “more stable”. These are things that should happen.
Just look at the motivation in the NetBSD and OpenBSD teams. Security Hack-a-thons. Heck, NetBSD already has native posix threads and it doesn’t get even close to the amount of limelight that freebsd does.
Mandrake of course is the best distro around. if u dont believe
me look at how people put it down, obviously they cant have
a live and let live attitude, that of course would be asking too much.
Mandrake isnt going under, in fact it coming up. the Mandrake Club
is growing by leaps and bounds. that should bother some of the
people that post here, but it shouldnt.
but in the possibility that Mandrake did not make it for some unforseen
reason, wouldnt it be great if the distro was merged with KDE.
imagine the powerhouse that would be
being that KDE makes by far the most popular desktop in linux, wouldnt
having their own distro be a way for their programmers to make
some money ?
watch out now,
be very very careful what u pray for, u just might get what u asked for.
then what would u do ?
rolling on the floor
1-st, download SuSE Live-Eval CD. Try it if it works on your box.
2-nd, download SuSE boot.iso burn and boot from it. Install from ftp.
3-rd, download SuSE’s United Linux CD1 and 2. Install rpms from there (optionally you can install SuSE from these CDs and skip 2-nd stage).
4-th, get apt for SuSE then apt-get synaptic. This is a must have.
There you go!
dont give up on suse either
… all owe their goodness to OS/2. So bow down and acknowledge it. After 3 incarnations, microscam’s version of bastardaized OS/2 is finally (allegedly) stable and reliabe as the original. But, I know that is surely not true, and even if It was, I would hate to get rooted by a ms service pack.
I hope Mandrake survives. The next version is already sold as far as I am concerned, as soon as it comes out…
Download the FTP ISO and do an FTP install. You get the FTP install ISO from SuSE’s FTP server, the instructions for installing ar there to.
I was wondering if anyone has taken a screenshot of the new “Galaxy” theme that mandrake has done for Gnome?
I know I could dl SuSe and install/user it.
But I like to hand out cds to my friends who don’t have broadband. So I use mdk. It’s legal to make as many copies as I like and to distribute them.
Anyway, downloading mdk9.1rc1 now, will install tonight and see if things work as advertised. If not: https://qa.mandrakesoft.com/
If you don’t test + send in the bugreport and the final doesn’t work for you, it’s your own fault!
i hope something emerfges… or even better… the same mandrake people continue on a non-commercial path … and continue producing the distro as if nothing had happened…
IMHO it would be awesome to see Mandrake go non-commercial and community-based.
Hindsight’s 20/20, but I wouldn’t counsel any desktop Linux company to provide free ISOs. Make an FTP install available, but for folks wanting CDs, make them buy them. Desktop Linux companies don’t make money on support contracts and training the way Red Hat does, so they *something* to generate a revenue stream.
I think this is where SuSE gets it right from a business standpoint.
The other option is to downsize and pinch pennies. Slackware is now basically a one-man operation that’s always been in the black. It may be an i386-only distro without alot of bells and whistles, but Patrick Volkerding has a business model that works.