Home > Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris > A closer look to Mandrake-Linux-10.0 Community A closer look to Mandrake-Linux-10.0 Community Eugenia Loli 2004-03-18 Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris 73 Comments Here is a positive Mandrake-Linux-10.0 Community Edition review with screenshots. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 73 Comments 2004-03-18 8:27 am The default kernel has no preemptible tag checked, reducing dramatically the performances the 2.6 gives. I’ve upgraded a mdk9.2 with this release and have a lot of problems since. Network connection has to be done manually because there is a loop somewhere which give me hundreds of run-parts + dhclient in the process list, my USB scanner doesn’t work anymore. I hope to get everything working after dropping my current system and reinstalling everything. KDE 3.2 is really great yet, but I’m still disappointed. 2004-03-18 8:36 am I burned the cd-images with Nero 6, but the dang thing won’t boot. =/ It says the CD is a non-system disk. I have a MSI MegaPC 651 with a NEC DVD-RW 1300A. 2004-03-18 8:56 am Boot with the second CD and then it will ask you for the first. This is a known bug. 2004-03-18 8:57 am Boot off the second cd, then it will ask you for the first. Even better yet wait for (the less buggy) 10 official… 2004-03-18 9:25 am Bootsplash crashes, hotplug freezes at reboot time. Stay away if you need a stable system. Community = beta, not even a RC. On the other hand, install it on as many system as you can so that you can report less obvious bugs 2004-03-18 10:01 am Installed last night, and did not know this. Had to use a boot floppy, have had problems booting from CD so I thought the problem was my drive 🙂 Anyway 10 looks good by first impresion. One problem tho., I installed the nvidia driver, but I can’t get it to automatic load the kernel module (2.6.3). Modprobing it manually works, so the module is ok. Someboddy with the same problem/solutin? 2004-03-18 10:05 am Have you made the changes to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 that the Nvidia driver mentions? If you go to the Nvidia site and go to where you downloaded the Linux drivers, there is a readme file which tells you what to change. And yes, I just installed Mandrake 10 last night. In point of fact, I did an upgrade from 9.2. It works really really well. I had reservations about the new Mandrake Control Center, but it really is very good and very polished. 2004-03-18 10:31 am Do you really think this preemtible-setting has any remarkable influence? 2004-03-18 10:38 am i have a old 10/10 pcmcia card and always worked fine in 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, Suse, Red Hat… Since the cooker, i can’t connect to the internet. I’ve made (again) a clean install but even after “Congratulations, your internet setup is done” i still can’t connect to the internet… Any idea??? Thanks 2004-03-18 10:47 am Do you really think this preemtible-setting has any remarkable influence? Yes, that modify the way the kernel gives priority to processes, and when activated, ( tag described as “for systems used for the desktop” in the kernel doc) if your pc is doing background tasks you can still use your desktop environnment it reacts better. 2004-03-18 10:53 am This is a known bug of the 2.6.3 kernel. Either downgrade to 2.4.25 or wait for an upgraded kernel. 2004-03-18 11:33 am Yes, I have updated the XF86config file and the driver works great. The problem is, I have to manualy modprobe the nvidia kernel module ( ok for me, but not the other users of the PC:-) I know for kernel 2.4 you have to make an alias in modules.config, but this does’t work here using 2.6. With 2.6 the file is called modprobe.conf or something I belive, changig this don’t do any good either. So right now I feel rather stupid 🙂 2004-03-18 11:41 am Mandrake 10 has problems with usb and networking on my machine. it keeps reconfiguring the network at boot (finding a non existent network card and silently trying to configure it) and fails to configure the scanner on my all-in-one, feat that 9.1 and 9.2 managed effortlessly. I gave up since the problem with network was never there with the Beta and RC releases and just came up after I updated the distro ! It means that some draketools have received untested changes after the release. I don’t want any of that. Apart from that, it seemed to work perfectly but unfortunately networking and scanning are on my list of show stoppers. I would have stayed with 9.2 for a while but intermittent freezes (the whole system going stale) have been plaguing this release on my machine and I just can’t stand it anymore. The only way to make it stable I have found was to backport the mdk 2.4.25 kernel, but then, the nvidia drivers lockup at start-up. So it’s stable but I can’t have 3d acceleration. Updates were a big cause of frustration with mandrake. Mdk left it all to volunteers. It’s ok for the odd package but unfair for things like kde. Maybe mdk10 will be better updated but I wouldn’t hold my breath. So exit mandrake. Libranet is nowhere near Mandrake in terms of set-up tools but I need something fairly easy to install, to UPDATE (debian does that + the libranet repository) and above all, STABLE. That being said, I wanted to say to all the reviewers that were in awe with the Libranet xadmin menu, that should have a look at the drake tools and the Mandrake Control Center in general. They have to be kidding : You can’t say the xadmin menu is great if you’ve tried the MCC. Also, the Mandrake installer is just superb. Libranet is a great distro but doesn’t compare with Mandrake on these aspects. I give them credit because I feel it’s what has allowed me to start with Linux with mdk 7.2. It still beats me that the distros have not come up with a common hardware configurator project. 2004-03-18 11:50 am dukeinlondon: “I would have stayed with 9.2 for a while but intermittent freezes (the whole system going stale)” Something is SERIOUSLY wrong with your system! I’ve been running 9.2 perfectly on an Intel Based MB with a P4 and 1 gig of RAM. It supports everything I’ve thrown at it, scanners, MP3 players, network interfaces, DVD/CD players, USB media, PDA, Sound Card (audigy), MB Monitoring, UPS, etc. all working flawlessly AT THE SAME TIME on a single system. By far 9.2 has been one of the most stable releases I’ve seen and I beat on it like crazy. I’ve also installed just about every single Contrib and PLF Mandrake RPM that I’ve found with no problems. 2004-03-18 12:40 pm …and u have tried this one: #urpmi kmplayer not mplayer but kmplayer u can have video and audio streams in Konqueror 2004-03-18 12:41 pm Just wondering Eugenia, have your views changed any since your last update on your review of mandrake? Better/worse than your originally thought? 2004-03-18 1:54 pm There is nothing wrong with my system : Mdk 10, Libranet, Pclinuxos, knoppix are stable with it. 9.2 somehow has a wrong combination of something somewhere as far as my hardware is concerned and it’s a pain, precisely because the release was otherwise awesome for me. Don’t get me wrong, Mdk 10 has been really stable as in uptime even with NVidia drivers, but so far, you can’t exclude new problems cropping up because it is updated in the same way as Cooker normally is. As soon as official is out, that’ll be over and I’ll give it another shot. It remains that I can’t live with a system on which I have to check the net config at each reboot and that I don’t know if it will scan or not. They should have called it the community testing release. 2004-03-18 2:24 pm i work with it for a little moment now and didn’t have any problems at all (usbprinter and mouse works,adsl works,nikon 3500 works,onboard ac97 no probs),i’am pretty satisfied but i keep my debian testing still next to it (in stead of anything happening) 2004-03-18 2:28 pm I hosed my Fedora install, and then went on to install Mandrake, did it via an FTP connhection to my windows PC, the install went well. Mandrake is quick, looks beautiful thanks to KDE and Gnome (I like them both, but have a slight preference for Gnome) and then I did what I wanted to try, because Having tried 9 and been highly disappointed, I had to give it a try in case someone had thought to fix these things. Setting up the networking, firewall, and internet connection sharing on Mandrake using the supplied GUI tools is hopeless. I got connections to the internet working, but firewall issues were impossible to fix using those tools because the tools are very very buggy. I am very much a GUI guy, and even with Fedora lacking GUI tools for ICS, I found it more straightforward an experience than the extreme frustration of trying, and failing to set up Mandrake the way i wanted using the tools supplied (which are supposed to help those of us who are practically CLI illiterate (at least on Linux systems)) I will likely try again in the future, because I think Mandrake deserves a chance, but if this is a common experience for those who are trying to set up a Mandrake system and are not experienced with Linux, I can hear them running back to Windows in droves. Hector 2004-03-18 2:38 pm I have just installed Mdk 10.0 Community. Overall it is stable and fast on my machine, but my ATAPI Zip drive is not working. Whenever I try to access it Konqueror or the console freezes and restarting the computer via software no longer works. So I have to press the reset button. The Zip drive is configured as slave on the secondary IDE, and under Control Center it is detected and shown normally. However, if I boot this same computer with Windows 2k the drive works normally. So I wonder if anyone can help me on this. Thanks. 2004-03-18 2:47 pm The links doesn’t work anymore but that’s understandable. A positive review of mandrake, positive? That can’t be possible. Mandrake is the only distro for me that isn’t able to connect to the internet. Like hector already posted the supplied GUI tools are hopeless. The only thing i like about mandrake is their partitioner. 2004-03-18 2:51 pm anyone know how well this distro works on kt600 chipset and SATA hard drives? the failure of windows is eminent, i want to be far away from it when it happens. i would rather be a linux n00b then a windows sysop. 2004-03-18 3:19 pm // the failure of windows is eminent, i want to be far away from it when it happens.// It’s obvious that you’re already far away from many aspects of reality … so you should be golden. 2004-03-18 3:27 pm “Setting up the networking, firewall, and internet connection sharing on Mandrake using the supplied GUI tools is hopeless.” And this has been true since 7.0. If Mandrake can’t get the d*mn thing to work, they need to remove it and not inflict this crap on their users, or they end up with even more ex-users than they have now. Cons: 1. Continuous kernel oopses. 2. Hangs at reboot on a usb module that isn’t even needed on my system ( so why is it loaded at all?) 3. Nvidia kernel module will not build, with completely useless error message. 4. Kernel & KDE are outdated already. 5. Internet connection sharing using Drake tools STILL doesn’t work correctly. Mandrakesoft – it has been 4 years now, isn’t it time to fix it or dump it? There is no excuse for this. 6. Mandrake Internet Connection sharing attempts to install a dhcp server. This is unnecessary. Why can’t I assign a static ip, WITH THE IP ADDRESS THAT I CHOOSE, instead of an IP address that Mandrake chooses? I always have at least 2 distros installed. I am not going to change the IP address of the other computers on the network because Mandrake assigns static IP addresses that I do not use. Yes, I know what text file to edit to set the IP address to what I need, but if I am going to do that, I really don’t need a broken internet connection sharing wizard to be installed, do I? Sometimes the simplest way is the most elegant. Mandrakesoft, take a lesson from Libranet on this one. 7. The Drake Tool attempts to install a dhcp server then fails, ending in a loop by requesting CD 2, then stating CD 2 can’t be read, since the module for hdc isn’t loaded. This after Mandy 10 just read the exact same CD 2 at install. Is it really that difficult to load cdrom.o at boot? Pros: 1. Mandrake finally runs at a reasonable speed, between stack traces. 2. Drake tools no longer run at the speed of OpenOffice. 3. Mandrake has finally begun to allow single KDE apps to be installed, without installing the entire package, ie you can install kmail, without installing the complete kdenetwork, just as Debian does. This is a good thing and I would like to see more of it. 4. Printing is configured 100% without user intervention, by the installer. The user doesn’t have to click so much as a checkbox to get printing set up. 5. The Mandrake installer is perfection itself. If a Mandrake system ran as well as it installed, it would be the distro to beat all distros. To sum up, the cons far outweigh the pros. Mandrake was my first. But like an abused lover, other distros have taught me there is no need to put up with this. Flame me if you will, but other kernels, including RCs, such as ck & mm sources, do not cause any problems at all, unlike the Mandrake kernel. Other distros have simple and elegant methods to set up connection sharing, without error, every single time. Other distros install the Nvidia drivers flawlessly every time. Other distros select and autoload the USB module that the system requires, not all three. Not only would I no longer use Mandrake, I can’t even recommend it to newbies. Why leave them scratching their heads, trying to figure out why a simple thing such as internet connnection sharing is completely impossible to set up? Mandrake has a long way to go. Distros such as Xandros and Lindows are liable to leave them in the dust. 2004-03-18 3:37 pm Following the link shows a permission error. 2004-03-18 4:14 pm I am an avid VMware user, unfortunitly I can’t get Mandrake 10 to properly install. It errors immediately after selecting the ‘packages’ that I want to install. Hopefully I will beable to install it on my laptop over the weekend. At least 9.2 works great, I can only immagine that v10 will be better. 2004-03-18 4:31 pm “1. Continuous kernel oopses.” — Haven’t seen one yet. Examples? “2. Hangs at reboot on a usb module that isn’t even needed on my system ( so why is it loaded at all?)” — Then remove the module. “3. Nvidia kernel module will not build, with completely useless error message.” — What error message? It installed no prob on my machine, after installing the driver I did a #depmod -a, reboot and haven’t looked back. “4. Kernel & KDE are outdated already.” — How do you mean “outdated”? Because a two week old product isn’t shipping with yesterdays newest apps? 5-6-7. Never used ICS on Mandrake, so I can’t speak to these points. My only complaint is that Xmms crashes every single time I try to play a file. Other than that, Mandrake10 Community has been impressive, even if it is a “beta”. The official release will be something to look forward to. 2004-03-18 4:39 pm i have been using Mandrake 9.2 for last 6 months on a IBM T23 with out any problem. recently installed Mandrake 10, everything went smothly no problem, but when the dran thing rebooted the screen is totally black. if i move the mouse and if an icon is under the mouse then the icon lights up. bottom line is the system is totally useless, i have tried re-installing the whole thing 4 times with out any luck. Mendrake 9.2, Fedora core 1, Slackware 9.1 and suse 9 runs perfectly. any idea what may be the cause? thanks zhussain 2004-03-18 4:42 pm “1. Continuous kernel oopses.” — Haven’t seen one yet. Examples?” At reboot, Mandrake attempts to unload the usb-ehci module. My system only needs usb-ohci. Problem solved if Mandrake only loaded the needed USB module. Instead, it hangs at this point on EVERY REBOOT, leaving a stack trace. The only cure is to hit the power button. “3. Nvidia kernel module will not build, with completely useless error message.” — What error message? It installed no prob on my machine, after installing the driver I did a #depmod -a, reboot and haven’t looked back.” It said something along the lines of “module can not be built,” but never said why. Googling provided no answer either. “4. Kernel & KDE are outdated already.” — How do you mean “outdated”? Because a two week old product isn’t shipping with yesterdays newest apps? ” Yes. KDE 3.2.1 is out now. I can understand if it isn’t included, but isn’t that what Mandrake Update is for? But there are no updates available, nor are rpms to be found anywhere on the net. Perhaps it is just me, but I prefer a completely updated system. “5-6-7. Never used ICS on Mandrake, so I can’t speak to these points.” There is no need to try it. It doesn’t work and hasn’t worked for 4 years running, yet it is stilled included. There is no excuse for this, when so may other distros get it right the first time. 2004-03-18 5:15 pm Was it an upgrade, or a clean install? I’m not having any problems whatsoever with USB my Mandrake Cooker (i.e. 10) system. By curiosity, did you install Kernel 2.6 or 2.4 (you have an option to install kernel 2.4 with Mandrake 10 IIRC)? This could explain problems with USB modules and building the NVIDIA kernel module. Personally I haven’t had any problems with either using the 2.6 kernel, however I do need a special NVIDIA installer for the 2.6 kernel (as I’m using driver version 4496). As far as KDE 3.2.1 is concerned, you should know that Cooker (the experimental, up-to-date Mandrake) is frozen while work continues on the Community Edition to iron out the bugs. However, the persone managing the KDE packages for Mandrake has already backported most of the bug fixes in 3.2.1 into the latest Mandrake 3.2 rpms. Personally, my Mandrake 10 system works very well, however I did spend some time getting acquainted with kernel 2.6, which requires you to do a few things differently. Since I did an upgrade rather than a fresh install, I may have avoided some of the problems that other users are talking about here. To those not used to cooker and its notorious unstability, I would suggest waiting for Mandrake 10 Official to come out… 2004-03-18 5:25 pm “Was it an upgrade, or a clean install” Clean install on second drive. “did you install Kernel 2.6 or 2.4” 2.6 – no way would I go back to 2.4 “This could explain problems with USB modules and building the NVIDIA kernel module.” Except that I have been running 2.6 for months, without probs with usb printing, usb scanning and certainly not Nividia modules. “I did spend some time getting acquainted with kernel 2.6, which requires you to do a few things differently.” I know, like very other 2.6 kernel I have been running for months now effortlessly. “I would suggest waiting for Mandrake 10 Official to come out…” 50 bucks says ICS won’t work then either. 2004-03-18 6:26 pm Zakir, I had the same problem with my T23, it was fixed by replacing the savage driver with the one you can find at this link : http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html With this, the only remaining problem I have is with ACPI and wwwin with konqueror (konqueror crashes), fortunatelly, it works fine with Mozilla. Otherwise, I don’t know why, but I like Mandrake 😉 Tom 2004-03-18 6:44 pm 50 bucks says ICS won’t work then either. Well, have you sent a bug report to Mandrake? About your other problems…I’m not experiencing any of them, but then again I did an upgrade. As I said, perhaps you should wait until the Official release is out. In the meantime, you can contribute by subscribing to the Cooker mailing list and sending your bugs! 2004-03-18 6:52 pm ‘Well, have you sent a bug report to Mandrake?” No I haven’t & I won’t. This is not new. This has been an ongoing problem for years. “perhaps you should wait until the Official release is out.” Perhaps I shouldn’t. I need what works now. There are many choices, the majority of which I have tried do not have these issues. Why should I wait, or settle for the hopelessly broken, in the meantime? “In the meantime, you can contribute by subscribing to the Cooker mailing list and sending your bugs!” Mandrake is off of my machine & happily at that. I use what just works & Mandrake ain’t it. 2004-03-18 7:56 pm Like many people, I found my install of Mandrake 10.0 (CE) quite buggy, but every problem I had was fiexed by downloading the updates. Of course it was a pain over dialup, but I especially recommend this for people with networking problems as the draketools are especially buggy and most of these have now been fixed. 2004-03-18 8:08 pm “I especially recommend this for people with networking problems as the draketools are especially buggy and most of these have now been fixed. ” Mandrake Update said there were none. I tried all three US mirrors multiple times. One can not update that which does not exist. 2004-03-18 8:20 pm “Mandrake is off of my machine & happily at that. I use what just works & Mandrake ain’t it.” Please please use Mandrake.! (I don’t know, you seem to look for someone to say that, if you are not comfortable, don’t use it). As many has poited, MDK10CE is kind of a Beta version, which uses Community as a test team. This approach has a lot of pro’s/contra’s, but in the end, if someone is not comfortable working with a Beta version, he/she should not try to use MDK10CE. You may note this as many commentaries says: “this worked in version 9.2, but not now”. That my friends is known as a regression, and happens all the time when you add new functionality. Your machine may not have an exotic configuration, but could be different enough from the one’s in MDK labs or may expose behaviours/bugs related to poor implementation of standards by some hardware companies or even buggy driver implmentation of someone who developed it in his spare time (you may sue him if you want). I sync against Cooker, so I have suffered sometimes of weird bugs, like applications crashing at random. But when MDK10CE came out, the corresponding Cooker version was very stable and fast (it is not perfect, I’ve found very annoying bugs, but none critical). I guess mileage varies upon user skills/hardware configuration/day of de week 2004-03-18 8:43 pm “This approach has a lot of pro’s/contra’s, but in the end, if someone is not comfortable working with a Beta version, he/she should not try to use MDK10CE” I work with beta stuff all of the time. The very fist Gentoo KDE 3.2.0 packages had some odd bugs, but none that couldn’t be worked around. Or the latest version of qtparted, which is not yet in portage, expects lrelease and lupdate to exist in /usr/bin, not /usr/qt/3/bin, as is the default on Gentoo. In spite of that it built and works without fail, every time. Such things are simple enough to work around. When setting up the latest beta kernals, odd workarounds can be necessary as well, although I’ve yet to run into a deal breaker in that area. But loading usb modules that have no relation to my motherboard, which then can’t be unloaded, causing a stack trace and power button reset is unacceptable. Mandrake ICS going on 4 years and not working is unacceptable, unless ICS is considered a beta application 4 years later. Were I a totally lost newbie, I could understand your point. 2004-03-18 9:09 pm Howdy If you want to bitch about a bug then report it and go out and support the guys doing the work (this goes for any distro) by buying a release or a donation. If you do none of these things then please don`t be so selfish as to complain about bugs people have never fix, have to tried to get M$ to fix a bug you find? 2004-03-18 9:13 pm “Not only would I no longer use Mandrake, I can’t even recommend it to newbies.” That’s funny. I’m a newbie and I have no problem with it. Course my hardware isn’t jury rigged either. 2004-03-18 9:21 pm To tell the truth, I understand your point. I found errors/inconsistencies in Drake Tools since MDK 8. Each new version of mandrake seems to be based in all the new versions of KDE/GNOME/Kernel and friends, but almost the same old codeo draktools (well I’m sure I am exagerating, but you get the point). And don’t get me wrong, I like MDK, but to me it seems that they have lost heading: once it was aimed to any Desktop, there was a lapsus in which it was aimed to Enterprise Desktop, now I’m not quite sure where they are heading. Dunno, as I said in earlier postings, I’m kinda dissapointed in the lack of “advance” in this version directly related to MDK efforts, may be I was expecting a MDK X (ala MacOS X). 2004-03-18 9:29 pm “If you do none of these things then please don`t be so selfish as to complain about bugs people have never fix,” Mandrake was my first linux years ago. Yes, I bought and paid for it then. I left it long ago due to quality issues. I decided to give it another try to see if anything has changed. It hasn’t, which confirms my decision to leave it in the first place. If it is selfish to second guess a past decision, or check the validity of a past decision, then call it selfish. I didn’t test 10.0 in order to do QA for Mandrakesoft, sorry. “have to tried to get M$ to fix a bug you find?” You’ve got to be kidding. I left Microsoft 4 years ago due to quality issues. I am VERY happy with the qaulity of the Linux distro I have been using for the last two years and that fact that I can install , remove, rebuild every single part it, without fail, and it works every time. 2004-03-18 9:38 pm “To tell the truth, I understand your point” Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am not making any of this up. “I found errors/inconsistencies in Drake Tools since MDK 8” I know they are still there. “And don’t get me wrong, I like MDK, but to me it seems that they have lost heading: once it was aimed to any Desktop, there was a lapsus in which it was aimed to Enterprise Desktop, now I’m not quite sure where they are heading.” You hit the nail on the head. I actually want to see Mandrake succeed and I thought now, with 10.0, would be the time. Suse is still for pay. Redhat is enterprise only now. (I know I know – Fedora) Lindows has/will have alot of momentum in the newbie crowd too. I was really hoping to see Mandrake take up the slack that Redhat left in the desktop market, & Mandrake has been around longer than Lindows. But the quality issues, which you have noticed since 8.0, still exist. So I don’t see Mandrake gaining any headway anytime soon. 2004-03-18 9:44 pm “That’s funny. I’m a newbie and I have no problem with it. Course my hardware isn’t jury rigged either.” Thanks, now I know an athlon-xp 2400, with 512MB of 333Mhz DDR RAM, Nvidia Geforce 5200FX video card with 128 MB DDR vram, & several hard drives at 7200 rpm, with a 17 flat screen monitor, all of which was purchased last June, is now considered “jury rigged.” Funny how Slack, Debian, Gentoo, NetBSD, FreeBSD, run perfectly without issue on my “jury rigged” setup. 2004-03-18 9:46 pm Please file them if you have time to participate. In fact, if you register for an account, you can vote bugs up, which is how they prioritize. Their bugzilla is pretty easy to use and you might find answers to some of your problems there. The only problem I”m having is quite minor, my xcursor mysteriously changed to one I don’t care for, but then I’ve been loading lots of cooker stuff. Guess I’ll be visiting bugzilla soon myself. qa.mandrakesoft.com 2004-03-18 9:47 pm Thanks, now I know an athlon-xp 2400, with 512MB of 333Mhz DDR RAM, Nvidia Geforce 5200FX video card with 128 MB DDR vram, & several hard drives at 7200 rpm, with a 17 flat screen monitor, all of which was purchased last June, is now considered “jury rigged.” Funny how Slack, Debian, Gentoo, NetBSD, FreeBSD, run perfectly without issue on my “jury rigged” setup. Aren’t these hardware trolls a riot? Trust them, if it’s Mandrake that you’re having trouble with, it’s always your hardware’s fault. 2004-03-18 9:50 pm It does seem that every other OS I’ve used has no lack of ability to work around these so called ‘hardware flaws’ so why can’t Mandrake? 2004-03-18 9:52 pm I thought there was nothing for kernel 2.6 users from Netraverse. That’s completly wrong, there are official patches on their website found here : http://www.netraverse.com/member/downloads/files/mki-adapter26_1_3_… 2004-03-18 9:56 pm “Updates were a big cause of frustration with mandrake. Mdk left it all to volunteers.” What? All updates to packages in the main repository are done by paid Mandrake employees. 2004-03-18 9:58 pm “but so far, you can’t exclude new problems cropping up because it is updated in the same way as Cooker normally is.” What the heck? Why is everyone finding this so hard to understand? No it isn’t. It’s updated exactly the same way 9.2 final was after it was released: critical bug fixes and security patches. If 10.0 “Official” was going to be 10.0 “Community” plus a month of Cooker it’d be *less* stable than Community, and what would the point of that be? 2004-03-18 10:03 pm “Yes. KDE 3.2.1 is out now. I can understand if it isn’t included, but isn’t that what Mandrake Update is for?” Ummmm…no. Mandrake Update is for critical bug and security fixes, like the update tools on Windows or any other major Linux distro, not continuous new version updates to core OS components. If you run Windows Update on Windows 98 do you get Windows ME or XP? No. 2004-03-18 10:07 pm “No I haven’t & I won’t. This is not new. This has been an ongoing problem for years.” Well, this particular problem can’t possibly have been going on for “years”, as ICS in Mandrake was last rewritten from the ground up almost exactly a year ago, IIRC. When MDK switched from Bastille to Shorewall for firewalling. The reason it uses DHCP by default is the same reason Microsoft’s Internet Connection Sharing does: it makes things easier, at least theoretically. If you use DHCP and everything works, all the client machines (as long as they’re set to DHCP, which is the default) should work straight away. With static addressing, you have to set up their IP, gateway and DNS settings manually. Of course, it is a more complex system and more likely to go wrong, which I agree is a problem, but the solution isn’t as clear cut as you make out. I’ve had Mandrake’s ICS working under 9.0 and 9.1; haven’t tested since then as I use hardware routing now. 2004-03-18 10:08 pm “Mandrake Update is for critical bug and security fixes, like the update tools on Windows or any other major Linux distro, not continuous new version updates to core OS components.” You could well be right. I remember updating KDE years ago using Mandrake Update, but those might have been Texstar rpms. I really can’t remember now. 2004-03-18 10:11 pm “(as long as they’re set to DHCP, which is the default” All client machines are not set to dhcp, but static. This way, I can use the same IP addresses, no matter what distro I install and try out tomorrow. To setup the network for Mandrake, means I have to adjust the network settings for all of the clients. Is it wrong to expect to have the choice to use dhcp vs static? Other distros don’t think so. Mandrake does. 2004-03-18 10:22 pm In fact, if you register for an account, you can vote bugs up, which is how they prioritize. A fitting name if you really believe that this is a good way to do anything technical, like say, fixing bugs in an OS. The whole poularity thing is what is keeping Debian (for example) from being a great Linux distribution, and if it is in fact a big reason that Mandrake’s QC sucks, then dear gawd, I’ll never have anything nice to say about them again. Lunacy. 2004-03-18 10:45 pm Latest package downloaded and tried, kernel 2.6 is supported ! So finally, after ‘some’ manual configuration changes, I can finally really enjoy this distrib. That’s really great 2004-03-18 11:25 pm The link to the story doesn’t seen to work. 2004-03-18 11:33 pm “Aren’t these hardware trolls a riot? Trust them, if it’s Mandrake that you’re having trouble with, it’s always your hardware’s fault.” That goes both ways, doesn’t it? If other people are not having the same problem with Mandrake, then what would suggest the problem is? On the otherhand, if I can get a particular distro or BSD to run on my machine, does that distro or flavor of BSD suck? You tell me how it is. And do you think that if you were having a problem with Fedora or Suse or Gentoo and were raising such a fuss that it wouldn’t irk users of those distros? 2004-03-18 11:35 pm You do not have permission to access the requested file on this server. 2004-03-18 11:56 pm I got error when I clicked the link! Forbidden. You do not have permission to access the requested file on this server. 2004-03-19 12:00 am That goes both ways, doesn’t it? It most certainly does. Nothing is perfect. 2004-03-19 1:04 am the url is nonexistant. 2004-03-19 1:47 am Mandrake 10.0 crashed and burned (KDE and X) and dropped to a command prompt login while I was just browsing the internet. Very very disappointing. 2004-03-19 2:19 am … for all the following versions: 6.0, 7.0, 7.2, 8.2, 9.0, 9.1, 9.2, and now 10.0 CE. I even joined the Club to get it sooner. Bit Torrent even worked like a charm, just like 95% of the stuff I have downloaded with it. My only problem with Linux in general right now is the slowness of USB card reader access, and the SCSI emulation multi lun crap of a multi card reader(can’t get a mount point assigned to the SD slot in the reader). NVIDIA driver I downloaded even installed just fine. Nice job Mandrake, keep the level of polish on the increase… 2004-03-19 2:23 am One issue I found on the 1st CD. I had to use Smart Boot Manager that comes with XOSL X OS Loader to get the 1st CD to boot on my desktop Thunderbird KT-133A system, but it worked OK on my Toshiba laptop… 2004-03-19 2:29 am Mandrake is off of my machine & happily at that. I use what just works & Mandrake ain’t it. Okay, whatever. Mandrake “just works” on my system, so it’s stayin’. To each his own. However, I must say I’m kind of ticked off by the aggressive tone of your replies. Let’s try to keep this civil, shall we? 2004-03-19 2:33 am Mandrake Update said there were none. I tried all three US mirrors multiple times. One can not update that which does not exist. Funny, I’m updating right now (kdebase-3.2-77mdk, among others). The thing is, since it’s not an official version, you don’t use MandrakeUpdate, but rather update from a cooker repository using rpmdrake. So it actually exists. No need to thank me. 2004-03-19 2:37 am “The thing is, since it’s not an official version, you don’t use MandrakeUpdate, but rather update from a cooker repository using rpmdrake.” So are you saying Mandrake did not place the correct mirrors in Mandrake Update for this version of this distro? 2004-03-19 3:02 am No, I’m saying that MandrakeUpdate is for official distros. That’s my understanding, anyway. 2004-03-19 3:20 am But it seems that the web ate it. 2004-03-19 8:44 am Doesn’t really make sense when you think about it. How software can work perfect on one machine and not at all on another even though they might not even be that different. Then when something doesn’t work, a reboot or a re install can sometimes fix it even though technically nothings been changed. I mean, can anybody ever REALLY know what’s going on in there. 2004-03-19 9:27 pm MandrakeUpdate should still host critical updates for 10.0 CE, I think. I’m not sure if current Cooker packages are targetted for 10.0 Official or 10.1; don’t think anyone at MDKsoft has made this clear yet, though since they seem to be bugfixes in the main I guess it’s for Official… 2004-03-22 4:52 am Hi guys, so many of you tried to access Macaulinux to read the review that the server has been shutdown by amen.fr. We are trying to find a solution to get it back. Stay tuned.