Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 19th Apr 2006 18:54 UTC, submitted by Christian Jensen
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Mark Shuttleworth has announced the plans for the next Ubuntu release - The Edgy Eft, the successor to Dapper Drake. He charts the territory post-Dapper for those of you who like to dream a little.
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This is Edgy bereable...
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:18 UTC
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Member since:
2005-12-23

I have clicked the link 12 times and nothing happens...

Is this another usual "broken link" or is just that I am using Windoza now an the PC memory is over-and-ultra-saturated?

This is Edgy bereable...

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RE: This is Edgy bereable...
by yanik on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:21 UTC in reply to "This is Edgy bereable..."
yanik Member since:
2005-07-13

works fine here

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RE: This is Edgy bereable...
by ma_d on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:22 UTC in reply to "This is Edgy bereable..."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Yea, I was excited to read it. But it's not working from Linux either so I assure you it's down ;) .
The site is probably just down right now. Try again in an hour or something?

This, btw, is why I don't like the idea of web apps. Only the big boys (google, Microsoft, etc) can afford zero downtime.
Well, that and of course the fact that web browsers are more complicated than anything else and hence a nightmare to program for. But I'm off topic!

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RE: This is Edgy bereable...
by Wrawrat on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:34 UTC in reply to "This is Edgy bereable..."
Wrawrat Member since:
2005-06-30

No, it's their Linux server that seems over-saturated. How funny...

Anyway, for those who are interested in the news, I just got this mail from the ubuntu-announce list. I suppose it's what the story on debian-news is covering :
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000064....

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Yeah,
by Omega Penguin on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:21 UTC
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2006-02-12

it's a broken link.Seriously,though,Dapper isn't even out yet,and Shuttleworth is thinking about Edgy Eft already?

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RE: Yeah,
by ma_d on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:24 UTC in reply to "Yeah,"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Yea. It's crazy how the people who plan software and the people who do the nitty gritty part often work on different stages of the project at different times...

And it's even crazier how people actually talk about their ideas for the next release before they finish what they're working on. It's sort of like thinking about that new car before you start shopping; insane.

[/the sarcastic reply you deserved]

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RE[2]: Yeah,
by W-Tarchalski on Wed 19th Apr 2006 21:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah,"
W-Tarchalski Member since:
2005-07-18

[Quote]
And it's even crazier how people actually talk about their ideas for the next release before they finish what they're working on
[/Quote]

MS is currently working on the IE-7 and on the next release after,
Mozilla team is currently working on the FF-2 and on the FF-3
Rasterman is currently working on E17 and on E18.

Regards,
Witek

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RE[3]: Yeah,
by archiesteel on Wed 19th Apr 2006 22:00 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah,"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

I guess you missed the sarcastic note at the end...

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RE[2]: Yeah,
by el3ktro on Thu 20th Apr 2006 10:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Yeah,"
el3ktro Member since:
2006-01-10

I don't know what your (not only yours, but many of you) problem is. It's absolutely normal to not only think about the next step, but to have the second and even third step in mind already. It's not that they're WORKING on Edgy Eft already, they're just thinking about in which direction it should go. We're currently replacing all our servers in the company at work, and it's totally normal that we don't just think about this replacement right now, but also the next few steps that we might be planning in the future. Thinking about the very next step only would be short-sighted imho.

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RE[3]: Yeah,
by ma_d on Thu 20th Apr 2006 16:47 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Yeah,"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

That was my point. Everyone else got it where I explicitly mentioned I was being sarcastic...

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RE: Yeah,
by arctic on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:52 UTC in reply to "Yeah,"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

Planning the next release now is okay. Many distros start the dicussions on the next project once the current version is nearing completion.

We can afford to take some risks with Dapper+1, because Dapper has turned
out so well.


Turned out so well? Umm... How many months has this distro been on the market and thoroughly tested by end-users? A bit early for praising yourselves imho. ;) And you still haven't solved the firewall problem, provided a good services-configuration and there is still a borked root account and the sudo mess. When will these vital issues be corrected? Never? ^^

Edited 2006-04-19 19:53

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Showing my ignorance but
by Havin_it on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:22 UTC
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2006-03-10

what exactly be an eft?

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RE: Showing my ignorance but
by Lu-Tze on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:35 UTC in reply to "Showing my ignorance but"
Lu-Tze Member since:
2006-01-10

it is the juvenile, terrestrial life stage of the newt... or so i find on Googling...

and it seems like such a short time ago that we were wondering where they came up with Dapper Drake...:-)

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RE[2]: Showing my ignorance but
by miscz on Wed 19th Apr 2006 22:31 UTC in reply to "RE: Showing my ignorance but"
miscz Member since:
2005-07-17

Every single name was stranger than the previous one. I can't even imagine how will they name Edgy Eft +1 ;)

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jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

They seem to be going sequentially up the alphabet...well, somewhat at least. Maybe the next release will be Frisky Froggy.

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RE[4]: Showing my ignorance but
by AndyJ on Thu 20th Apr 2006 09:43 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Showing my ignorance but"
AndyJ Member since:
2005-06-30

Hmmm, let me see, Warty Warthog, Hoary Hedgehog, Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake, Edgy Eft...W H B D E...interesting alphabet you have there! Or do you mean that E follows D therefore they are going up the alphabet? Whatever.

I for one have no problem with the imaginative use of names. And bear in mind these are NOT final release names, which are much more mundane 10.05, 06.06, etc., even though people continue to insist on using them as a lame attempt to ridicule the distro.

Personally, I also think they are spot on with this approach. They have declared an intention to make Dapper a solid platform for enterprise use, so it would definitely be fine by me (and interesting to anticipate) a more bleeding-edge solution for the next release. Those who require more stability can simply hop over it.

Obviously Dapper still has issues, it's not even a release candidate yet.

Also, according to Shuttleworth's comments, he specifically wants to ensure that his teams keep their focus on polishing Dapper, but they can be allowed to use their imaginations at the same time, can't they? Or do we not believe that developers can think of two thinks at once?

Edited 2006-04-20 09:46

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

"They seem to be going sequentially up the alphabet...well, somewhat at least. Maybe the next release will be Frisky Froggy."

--------

Yeah, maybe you are right. It would be a good name.

But, I have just recieved a phone call in the direct "Red line" that I have with Shuttleworth!

He has commented to me that the next name is already decided too. It will be " Fuzzy f--ker", and it will be dedicated to 'Bill'... ;)

When Ubuntu started, I used to think it was an average Distro, and that it was overHyped...

NOw I think that It can really rock, and that will be the next "Turning poing" in Linux and Free-OpenSource Software, even more than 'Madrake' was...

With next release, or next one, including an even more solid and quicker 'XGL-Compiz', new apt-get, and probably the new Gnome, and new versions of 'key' applications (Office, Server, Network..), and getting more solid and complete, it is likely to let "Vista" knock Out...

If Linux could solve some problems with propietary Video & Net drivers... Although by then, in one or two releases I guest the new propietay drivers and even the "free" drivers will be much better than now.

!!!

Edited 2006-04-20 13:38

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RE: Showing my ignorance but
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:55 UTC in reply to "Showing my ignorance but"
Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

Well, english is not my mothe tongue, but apparently an "Eft" is a "Newt" in it's development state..

Yeah.. and WTF is a Newt? Well, apparently is a "Triton".
So, someting like a teenage "Salamander". I though they were extinguished already ;) .
Not in South Africa seemingly...

It seems that Shuttelworth, Vaugh and the rest of the Ubuntu troop really get "high" before choosing the codenames of the Ubuntu releases !

!!!

Edited 2006-04-19 20:01

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RE[2]: Showing my ignorance but
by Sphinx on Wed 19th Apr 2006 21:23 UTC in reply to "RE: Showing my ignorance but"
Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

It seems that Shuttelworth, Vaugh and the rest of the Ubuntu troop really get "high"

That would explain a few things.

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RE[2]: Showing my ignorance but
by voidlogic on Wed 19th Apr 2006 22:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Showing my ignorance but"
voidlogic Member since:
2005-09-03

Salamanders are not extinct, I had a pet one, and see them often in the woods near my house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

"Salamanders are not extinct, I had a pet one, and see them often in the woods near my house."

---

Sure. Everybody knows that... It was an irony. Did you mod down my post with -1 point for that? Godness!

The important part of my post was the explanation of the meaning of "Eft" to someone who asked it, and to all those who did not know it ...

Edited 2006-04-20 08:56

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RE[4]: Showing my ignorance but
by voidlogic on Fri 21st Apr 2006 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Showing my ignorance but"
voidlogic Member since:
2005-09-03

lol, no, I didn't mod you down. I only mod down people who are actully offensive. I think people tend to be too quick to mod down, it tends to get used as to censor views, and thats just not cool

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What about system-wide LDAP usage?
by Damien on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:32 UTC
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2005-07-07

I must admit that it annoys the flip out of me that no Linux distribution has taken the bull by the horns and moulded everything to use a system-wide LDAP server for logins, address books, etc. The benefits would be worth it and I'm scratching my head as to why it hasn't happened yet. OpenLDAP is tricky to use, but there are alternatives like the Netscape directory service that RedHat bought and opened up.

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SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05
Damien Member since:
2005-07-07

That's a start, but what about having a system-wide address book that any application could use? Why should all of the different apps use their own storage mechanism, just use LDAP and let everything use one interface.

Damien

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Stunami Member since:
2005-07-06

that's what evolution data server does. you might also be interested in Galago which is a presence framework.
http://www.galago-project.org/about.php

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fepede Member since:
2005-11-14

I fully agree with you. I think that OS X uses a kind of LDAP to store those informations achieving a great level of integration of the information in the system, still maintaining it open.

Would be nice to see Ubuntu doing the same.

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unkn0wn Member since:
2005-06-30

Actually, OSX uses a combination of LDAP (Open Directory) and their ancient NetInfo DB. I believe the plan is to deprecate NetInfo in 10.5 and move entirely to LDAP.

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This will be the distro vs Windows Vista.
by SEJeff on Wed 19th Apr 2006 19:39 UTC
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2005-11-05

Since Dapper will be released the first of June and the Ubuntu release cycle is (generally) 6 months, Edgy will be the version of Ubuntu that will go up against Windows Vista.

Xgl/compiz development is blindingly fast. By the time Edgy is out, their might be a (semi)stable version out for those with graphics cards that can take advantage of it. I've played with the Vista beta, and flip3d + what I've seen of Aero still isn't better than compiz in my own opinion.

This should be interesting

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Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

Since Dapper will be released the first of June and the Ubuntu release cycle is (generally) 6 months, Edgy will be the version of Ubuntu that will go up against Windows Vista.

That's extremely funny, because everyone is saying Windows Vista will be crap, a resource hog, and bring nothing new to the table except useless eye candy. That can't be what you meant, right? ;)

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good long-term focus
by thebackwash on Wed 19th Apr 2006 20:24 UTC
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2005-07-06

I think the vision for the future of Ubuntu sounds promising. Have a really super solid release every year (really guys, use this if you want a system that won't break,) followed by an edgier system every other 6 months,(OMGZT3HUB3RSYSUP1NH34H.)

This should allow the community a sufficient amount of time to bake in technologies that might require more time to integrate properly.

The only problem is that if you want a few of the newer features, you'll have to risk breaking your system or you'll have to wait not just 6 months, but an additional year. That's the disadvantage of the architecture of so many linux distributions: it's hard to change one thing without risking breaking other things (at least in the desktop space, other things such as server technologies are well-engineered in that respect.)

Just my two cents.

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RE: good long-term focus
by ma_d on Thu 20th Apr 2006 16:51 UTC in reply to "good long-term focus"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

So startup a more moderated new app repo for ubuntu. Well, if you wouldn't just be competing with six other people already doing it...

Changing out parts is easy on *nix; that's the point ;) .

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SMART Package Manager?
by braddock on Wed 19th Apr 2006 20:44 UTC
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2005-07-08

"the interesting possibilities of the SMART package manager..."

Is there a planned role for the SMART package manger in Ubuntu? Looking at it, I don't understand the appeal. Sure, unifited RPM, DEB, YUM, APT package mangement and world peace are great, but on a pragmatic level...has anyone used SMART?

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RE: SMART Package Manager?
by thebluesgnr on Wed 19th Apr 2006 21:30 UTC in reply to "SMART Package Manager?"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

I used it a long time ago. It was basically a smarter APT, so yeah, it's pretty good.

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RE: SMART Package Manager?
by dylansmrjones on Wed 19th Apr 2006 22:01 UTC in reply to "SMART Package Manager?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I used SmartPM when I was a Fedora user.

It cannot do miracles, but it is often much better to solve conflicts between packages (read: repositories) than Synaptic/apt-get.

If you _have_ to use .rpm's SmartPM is _the_ package manager to use.

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RE: SMART Package Manager?
by bosco_bearbank on Thu 20th Apr 2006 12:52 UTC in reply to "SMART Package Manager?"
bosco_bearbank Member since:
2005-10-12

I use it all the time on my Fedora system. I'm just not all that fond of pirut

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Very nice for the debian community
by lord_rob on Wed 19th Apr 2006 21:01 UTC
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2005-08-06

I'm not using Ubuntu but Debian straight. Debian Sid (unstable) has been running my pc for more than four years now. It's really rock solid and stable. Nice people at Ubuntu are helping Debian Sid to evolve even faster ;)

Kudos to you guys !

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SELinux
by ozonehole on Thu 20th Apr 2006 01:59 UTC
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2006-01-07

I would sure like to see Ubuntu properly configured by default for SELinux (as Fedora is now). It seems that there is a project to do just this, but not sure how far along it has come...

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux

Does anybody happen to know if Dapper is going to have this? Or must we wait for Edgy Eft?

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It's nice to look ahead.
by Anon on Thu 20th Apr 2006 05:42 UTC
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2006-01-02

The problem is, it distracts you from the current task.

Ubuntu Dapper has quite a few issues still outstanding. Fix them first before setting a goal which is way to distant to even bother wasting time thinking about. Doesn't accomplish anything, other than distract developers/bug fixers.

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RE: It's nice to look ahead.
by dagw on Thu 20th Apr 2006 16:20 UTC in reply to "It's nice to look ahead."
dagw Member since:
2005-07-06

But knowing that you have something fun and interesting to look forward one you finish the current dull task makes you work faster/harder on finishing it, which is a good thing.

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superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

and don't forget aKonadi here, as it will present a cross-DE backend for PIM applications. The Evolution hackers are interested, as are the Kontact guys.

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