Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 5th Jun 2007 14:37 UTC
Hardware, Embedded Systems Geeks.com was so kind as to send me the TS-21F5-R, a 21-Inch TFT Flat Panel LCD Color Widescreen Monitor (it is a de-branded HP LCD monitor) for review. At USD 245.99, that is a whole lot of screen real estate. Read on for my findings.
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Energie consumption?
by thkoch2001 on Tue 5th Jun 2007 15:02 UTC
thkoch2001
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2007-06-05

Please include the energie consumption of a device in any review you make.

Reply Score: 5

speakers -> thin borders
by msundman on Tue 5th Jun 2007 15:27 UTC
msundman
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2005-07-06

Built-in speakers are never any good anyway, so I'd much, much rather have very thin borders than speakers. I like to be able to put monitors next to each other without having huge borders between the actual screens.

Reply Score: 5

RE: speakers -> thin borders
by tyrione on Tue 5th Jun 2007 18:54 UTC in reply to "speakers -> thin borders"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

100% agree. I can't stand space being wasted on speakers. We mostly end up with only the monitors with speakers being on-sale constantly at NewEgg.

Reply Score: 2

Um...
by AdamW on Tue 5th Jun 2007 15:46 UTC
AdamW
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2005-07-06

so, given that the main point of a monitor is to display images, perhaps you could give us some kind of insight into how well this thing displays images?

Reply Score: 5

Umm This looks like the W2007 Granddad
by embedded on Tue 5th Jun 2007 16:06 UTC
embedded
Member since:
2007-06-05

I looked at the W2007 and W2207 (Surprise 2007 versions) They have the nice vertical height changing stand) I need my monitors low for progressive lens's. Speakers are in the back with duct to the edges so they take no space. The monitor is wonderful to look at. 1680 by 1080 gives full HD and looks good doing it. HP Brightview which looks great and gives that high contrast ratio looks wonderful. (Now if we could only get anti-glare like we had on VT-22/40's)

W2007 is $259 at Wal-Mart and W2207 which rotates into Vertical is $279 there and Target.

Reply Score: 1

AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

It's 1680x1050, which is not full HD by quite a long chalk. Full HD is 1920x1080 (HDTV aspect ratio being somewhat wider than the typical PC widescreen monitor aspect ratio).

Reply Score: 1

Lack of decision-making detail?
by Laurence on Tue 5th Jun 2007 16:45 UTC
Laurence
Member since:
2007-03-26

I've used many LCD monitors in my time and most of them haven't impressed me all that greatly (that's not to say there aren't any good LCDs out there - i just haven't been supplied then in any of my workplaces) so I was looking forward to reading this review. Sadly though I would have enjoyed reading more about the clarity of the image and possibly even a 2nd opinion of the response times (as Thom openly admits he doesn't usually notice the difference) for people, like myself, who really do notice the difference.

In short, this review doesn't really delve that deeply into any of the subject matter that really influence me in a monitor purchase. :/

P.S. Good to see another Bjork fan

[edit - didn't proof read]

Edited 2007-06-05 16:47

Reply Score: 3

Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

In short, this review doesn't really delve that deeply into any of the subject matter that really influence me in a monitor purchase.


True, but that was a conscious decision; at 250 USD, this is of course a low-end monitor. Were I to review i.e. an Apple Cinema Display, the review would've been much deeper, longer, and thorough.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Lack of decision-making detail?
by hyperdaz on Tue 5th Jun 2007 18:11 UTC
hyperdaz
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2007-06-05

True, but that was a conscious decision; at 250 USD, this is of course a low-end monitor. Were I to review i.e. an Apple Cinema Display, the review would've been much deeper, longer, and thorough.

I had to register just to ask this question...

Could you please explain the logic in this... the only logic I can draw from your comment is that you would have a more expensive monitor i.e. being paid more so you would put more effort into your review... surely it should not matter what the cost of the monitor is or who it is made by..... surely only quality of a product is important and all reviews should be treated the same..

Ad news strikes again...

Reply Score: 4

Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

It's clear you have no idea whatsoever about reviewing products.

Let me ask you a question. Would you review the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano in the same way you would review the Ford Focus?

Of course you don't. Both products are targeted at different people, and hence they require a different assessment. 21" at 250USD means this is a low-end monitor targeted at ordinary consumers (not at professional users), and they have their own set of buying decisions; you think they give a rat's behind about all the technical details? Of course they don't. They want to know: is this monitor good value for money?

Please, don't tell me how to structure my reviews. Some reviews, like this one, simply don't require a deep, technical assessment. Contrary to i.e. when I reviewed QNX a few years ago, which turned out to be a different review completely.

Reply Score: 1

hyperdaz Member since:
2007-06-05

It's clear you have no idea whatsoever about reviewing products.

That's an easy statement for you to make but how you will back this up with any credible evidence I would like to see....

Would you review the Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano in the same way you would review the Ford Focus?

And why not...???? could be rather interesting .....

a lot of CAR magazine(s) and programs reviews have a basic structure no matter what car they are reviewing... yes the performance model car will go faster (hopefully) and stick to the road much better then a lower budget..... but one you can still add this information into the lower budget's review.... things like fuel efficiency can be targeted at both models.... construction of both could provide an interesting POV for things like wear and tear... maintenance costs are still considered on all models in good reviews... and things like owners thoughts... well into the life of the car... how they are treated at dealerships and such what...

just does not seem as open and thought through as it could be hey look I got a free monitor here are three pictures.. specs and price and if i keep mentioning apple people might click.... apple apple halo around me apple apple apple...

you mention how bright this monitor is at 85% maybe a conversation on if this is at all a good thing if LCD monitors keep getting BRIGHTER is this good for humans????? touch of research into the matter could give you an interesting 20 to 50 words... just a thought....

but heck what would I know.... you know my whole life and what i have lived through so you tell me sir...
I dare you to give me a good review....

Reply Score: 5

AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

Of course we wouldn't, but we would probably include some comments about how well both cars do their basic job of moving from point A to point B.

Your review of this monitor is analogous to a car review which runs something like this:

Paragraph one: overview of car's extra features (nothing about the engine, tyres or brakes)

Paragraph two: curb weight

Paragraph three: Seat tilt control

Paragraph four: external appearance

Paragraph five: dashboard

Paragraph six: The first thing I noticed when I pressed the accelerator was that the engine is really powerful! At first I thought the engine was defective, but then I realized they just make really powerful cars these days. Also, it seems to go round corners quite well, but I don't really know.

Paragraph seven: stereo

Paragraph eight: engine start behaviour

Paragraph nine: conclusion

Have you ever *read* a car review which looked like that? Would you think it was a good car review?

Reply Score: 4

astonishing...
by hyperdaz on Tue 5th Jun 2007 18:22 UTC
hyperdaz
Member since:
2007-06-05

lower response timed monitors.

try using an original imac G4 your soon notice / understand it...

Reply Score: 1

re: hyperdaz
by Tuishimi on Tue 5th Jun 2007 19:59 UTC
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

Features/Specifications:
21-Inch TFT Flat Panel LCD Color Widescreen Monitor

General Features:
Silver case
21-inch TFT Active Matrix display
.270 mm dot pitch
1680 x 1050 @ 60 Hz maximum resolution
-5 to 30 tilt (up and down)
30-94 kHz horizontal frequency scan
48-85 Hz vertical frequency scan
Built-in speakers
On-Screen Display (OSD) controls

Connectors:
15-pin VGA connector
DVI connector
Two (2) Type A USB ports on the side
One (1) Type B on back
Stereo headphone jack
Audio in
Audio out

Power Specifications:
100-240V, 50/60Hz, 1.5A

Regulatory Approvals:
FCC
UL
CSA
Package Includes:
21-Inch TFT LCD Monitor
VGA cable
DVI cable
USB cable
Power cord
Audio cable
Additional Information:

Notes:
LCD displays may have cosmetic imperfections that appear as small bright or dark spots. This is common to all LCD displays used in products by all vendor and is not specific to any vendor or brand. Below are the acceptable amounts of "dot defects" for LCD displays that we sell:
19-Inch to 21-Inch:
Total Defects: 8
Bright or Dark Dots (random): 4
Bright or Dark Dots (2 adjacent): 2
Bright or Dark Dots (3 adjacent): 0
Minimum distance between defects: 15 mm (bright to bright dots); 5 mm (dark to dark dots)

Product Requirements:
DVI adapter
VGA adapter
Available USB port
Available power outlet

Reply Score: 3

RE: re: hyperdaz
by hyperdaz on Tue 5th Jun 2007 20:30 UTC in reply to "re: hyperdaz"
hyperdaz Member since:
2007-06-05

thanks for copying and pasting from the buy it now section....

total monitors in section 21inch x1
21 inch Refurbished $245.99

total monitors in section 22inch x6
Acer Refurbished $249.99
Acer New $274.99
Acer New $299.99
Samsung synciemaster New $329.99

total monitors in section 24inch x2
Acer Refurbished $469.99

here is my advert for geeks... ppl go for samsung look prettier even if you never turn it on ;) and only a few $$$$$ more... and geeks are getting more money ;) ha... everyone wins... lol

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: re: hyperdaz
by Tuishimi on Tue 5th Jun 2007 21:52 UTC in reply to "RE: re: hyperdaz"
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

Heh. ;) I figured you would appreciate that.

Reply Score: 2

Nice desk
by remenic on Tue 5th Jun 2007 20:51 UTC
remenic
Member since:
2005-07-06

Hey Thom, can I ask you where you got that desk? I'm looking for a nice desk with a glass table too, but I haven't been very succesful. I'm in the NL too, btw. Sorry for being off-topic :-)

Reply Score: 1

@Thom
by DaaT on Tue 5th Jun 2007 22:08 UTC
DaaT
Member since:
2005-10-21

Listening to Bjork, good man ;)

And I HATE monitors with speakers... HATE! ;)

Reply Score: 1

Not bad, but...
by Kelly Rush on Wed 6th Jun 2007 03:29 UTC
Kelly Rush
Member since:
2005-06-30

Bah, I just picked up a 22" widescreen LCD made by Acer from Best Buy. Total price after 12% coupon was $167.99. ;)

Reply Score: 1