Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 25th Jan 2009 18:12 UTC
OSNews, Generic OSes This week wasn't marked by any breaking news items, but there were a few tends to be spotted. This may be have been a new week, but netbooks were still all the rage, with several items on our front page. We also had lots of news on Windows 7, and OSNews' very first game review. An uneventful week, but some interesting discussion nonetheless. This week's My Take is about the upcoming KDE 4.2 release.
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Good read
by kragil on Sun 25th Jan 2009 18:35 UTC
kragil
Member since:
2006-01-04

Honest words. I like it.
KDE 4.2 is really quite nice, but I think the first Qt 4.5 based KDE will be point where it all will make sense. Konqi will get a webkit engine with flash support and Nepomuk might see more use. Kmail etc. will use Akonadi and most apps will finally be ported to Qt4.
Plus so much more.

So 4.2 is already good and maybe "The Answer" for all those still on 3.5, but the hype is not really stopping .. and Linus will be back ;)

RE: Good read
by gehersh on Mon 26th Jan 2009 01:41 UTC in reply to "Good read"
gehersh Member since:
2006-01-03

Didn't Linus say: running a kernel with KDE is like sucking a thumb without having a blanket?

RE[2]: Good read
by gehersh on Mon 26th Jan 2009 01:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Good read"
gehersh Member since:
2006-01-03

oops, my bad, I meant *without* KDE ...

RE[2]: Good read
by Soulbender on Mon 26th Jan 2009 08:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Good read"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Who cares what Linus says?

RE: Good read
by lemur2 on Mon 26th Jan 2009 06:56 UTC in reply to "Good read"
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Honest words. I like it.


Second that. Quite right.

My complements
by pxa270 on Sun 25th Jan 2009 20:19 UTC
pxa270
Member since:
2006-01-08

Over the years I've seen tons of people misspell "complement" as "compliment". This is the first time I saw someone do the reverse. ;)

RE: My complements
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 25th Jan 2009 20:22 UTC in reply to "My complements"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Over the years I've seen tons of people misspell "complement" as "compliment". This is the first time I saw someone do the reverse.


Thanks, fixed.

English is not my native tongue, errors are bound to occur ;) .

RE[2]: My complements
by pxa270 on Sun 25th Jan 2009 20:29 UTC in reply to "RE: My complements"
pxa270 Member since:
2006-01-08

Tsk. What a lousy excuse. The spelling differences are exactly the same in Dutch, while the difference in pronunciation are much greater. ;)

Edited 2009-01-25 20:31 UTC

RE[3]: My complements
by AbuHassan on Sun 25th Jan 2009 21:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My complements"
AbuHassan Member since:
2008-08-26

Tsk. What a lousy excuse. The spelling differences are exactly the same in Dutch, while the difference in pronunciation are much greater. ;)


Isn't the Frisian language a sort of bridge between Dutch and English?

@Thom

Maybe you could write your articles in Frisian for the "benefit" of the spelling Nazis? ;)

RE[4]: My complements
by h3rman on Sun 25th Jan 2009 23:00 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: My complements"
h3rman Member since:
2006-08-09

"Tsk. What a lousy excuse. The spelling differences are exactly the same in Dutch, while the difference in pronunciation are much greater. ;)


Isn't the Frisian language a sort of bridge between Dutch and English?
"

Not really, at least not in every respect.
Afrikaans is the closest thing to English you'll get, as for the syntax.

BTW, Dutch don't use "complement", except in maths and in phony (marketing) speak.


@Thom

Maybe you could write your articles in Frisian for the "benefit" of the spelling Nazis? ;)


I kind of doubt Thom, like the vast majority of Dutch people, knows more than a few words of Frisian. The only person I know personally who speaks Frisian is an Israeli.
I'd love to see some articles in Afrikaans, though. ;-)

RE[3]: My complements
by BluenoseJake on Sun 25th Jan 2009 23:08 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: My complements"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Tsk. What a lousy thing to complain about.

theosib
Member since:
2006-03-02

What's the deal with the default window decorations? They stick out like a sore thumb. They're ugly, look really out of date, and totally do not fit in with the rest of the interface. I like MacOS X because the interface is clean and polished and attractive. KDE4 is looking like it will meet or exceed that aesthetic. (Although there are still way too many UI features, at least by default, that resemble Windows too much.) Except for the window decorations that are totally inconsistent. Yes, I'm sure you can change them, but why put up your screenshots with something so out of place?

The thing that's great about KDE4 is that it's exploring new paradigms. It's not totally revolutionary, but it's no longer just playing catch-up to Windows and the Mac. It's got some creative concepts all its own.

_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

I quite like the window decorations. There aren't any others like it that I know of...

Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I quite like the window decorations. There aren't any others like it that I know of...


I've fallen in love with the Skulpture style for KDE 4.0 (there's a theme and a window style). It's got this retro look, without being corny or outdated. It's really pretty.

Now, if only there was a Plasma Skulpture theme...

_txf_ Member since:
2008-03-17

yeah,

Skulpture is nice (using it atm too)... I'm currently using Plateau plasma theme, it's nice, simplistic and modern.

If I have time I might dive into the lava pit that is Qt widget styling and create a nice flat style (the kind that you find on sites like customize.org)

Game reviews and stuff ...
by WorknMan on Sun 25th Jan 2009 23:08 UTC
WorknMan
Member since:
2005-11-13

OSNews also ran its very first game review this week, which may have raised some eyebrows here and there, but it will be a recurring topic on OSNews from now on - although in a limited fashion, and always clearly marked as being a game review, so the on-topic police (as David so fittingly put it) can easily skip the game reviews.


Instead of making users skip over the game reviews (and other topics they're not interested in), why not add the ability to set up filters so that only the topics one is interested in will be displayed?

Then you can get rid of this 'Page 2' thing where, as it stands now, half of the interesting content is off to the side so that people are bound to skip right over it.

RE: Game reviews and stuff ...
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 26th Jan 2009 00:03 UTC in reply to "Game reviews and stuff ..."
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

why not add the ability to set up filters so that only the topics one is interested in will be displayed?


Because whatever implementation we would choose, it would be too much work. It would be HELL to bugfix it. It would be HELL to find a decent implementation. On top of that, it would lead to people submitting stuff that's already on the frontpage, but they missed it because it got filtered out. Etc. Etc.

You already have a filtering mechanism. It's free, works on all websites, all browsers, all platforms, and can even be used in dead tree media, television. In fact, you can even use it on real world objects and people!

It's called a brain, and your sensory input system. If you think you're not going to like an article based on the headline and teaser, just SKIP IT.

Grmbl.

KDE: I agree
by eantoranz on Sun 25th Jan 2009 23:10 UTC
eantoranz
Member since:
2005-12-18

Though I'm one of the few users of KDE that has gone on with it since 4.0, I can say quite frankly that kde 4.2 does bring a lot of polish. Maybe even kde 3.x users won't feel so disappointed if they try it on kde 4.2.

KDE 4.x
by kaiwai on Mon 26th Jan 2009 02:13 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

Another good thing is that KOffice 2.0 beta 5 was released around 10 days ago. I remember using KOffice when I was running KDE on FreeBSD many years ago and it was my favourite office suite from the point of view that it had all the features I need and yet it was also light weight enough in size that it didn't weigh down the system.

KDE 4.x will hopefully be appearing on OpenSolaris (via bionicmutton (which is unfortunately down at the moment)) but with that being said, I hope they integrate things in nicely so that the new wireless widget can make using the wireless devices on OpenSolaris easy for the first timer (or just people like me who know what needs to be done but are just lazy ;) )

Maybe this year will be the year of 'significant growth for *NIX on the desktop' - most of the people I've shown KDE to are excited about an awesome desktop like that - and is free. Lets hope that as more people are exposed they'll realise that they don't have the beholden to the duopoly that exists ;)

week in review
by Googol on Mon 26th Jan 2009 11:44 UTC
Googol
Member since:
2006-11-24

visit Osnews.com, then scroll down.

KDE 4.2 quick write up.
by sc3252 on Mon 26th Jan 2009 13:53 UTC
sc3252
Member since:
2005-09-06

Ok, so I decided to see what all the fuss was about. I downloaded the nightly builds. Surprised to find that its 4.3, but a very early build so I doubt much has changed.

Things I like
+Very clean feeling.
This is something that was always bothering me about kde and why I never used it, and feels fixed.

+Desktop effects look and feel polished. This is something compiz needs to do, but I doubt it will happen. One example is how the switching of virtual desktops, it is quick not jerky and what you would expect without effects on.

+Customization is very well done. Cant say more, you will just have to try it.

++Uniqueness, it just feels very unique. I really feel when I am using it that it isnt windows mac or anything done before.
Now for a few negatives

-some apps such as Amarok dont feel polished. For example when trying to play a radio stream it will sometimes crash, and most of the time not do anything. But this could be from the 4.3 download, so I cant say until I download a stable release.

-Takes some time getting used to. But heck I Wouldnt have ever used Linux if this was a big deal to me.


Overall the desktop feels great, and I can see myself using this in place of Gnome. Really a big surprise for me, since I really have never liked kde, and would always go running back to gnome. I really suggest if you want to give it a quick go just download the nightly build, but be mindful that it isnt the rc. Just do a quick google to find it kde-nightly for ubuntu.

Just for reference it was build 4.2.60

KDE 4.2
by ba1l on Mon 26th Jan 2009 15:49 UTC
ba1l
Member since:
2007-09-08

It's amazing how much of a difference there is between KDE 4.1 and 4.2. For the first time, it feels like a complete desktop. All the little pieces are starting to come together, and everything's starting to make sense.

I just wish nVidia would fix their drivers.

KDE 4 has always been fast on my laptop (Intel GMA something-or-other), and pretty much everything works. Even KDE 4.0 worked OK.

On my desktop machine (nVidia 9600GT), even though the latest drivers sped things up a lot, I can't use KDE 4.2 for more than a few minutes without X crashing. Since it just dies somewhere inside the driver, there's no way to work out what's caused it or why.

Since I'm running Ubuntu on that machine, that leaves me stranded in Gnome, probably until Ubuntu 9.10.