Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Sep 2013 22:49 UTC, submitted by Radio
Apple I missed this one:

The 2012 patent trial that grabbed the most headlines was Apple's $1 billion win (since reduced) against Samsung. But Apple also suffered a major patent setback of its own last year when a patent-holding company called VirnetX won a $368 million verdict against the tech giant.

The consequences of Apple's loss are now starting to become clear. This month, testimony in a court hearing showed that not only is Apple facing royalty payments that could cost it many millions more, but it has already made changes to one of its premiere products, FaceTime - changes that reportedly have degraded the service's quality.

While I won't shed a tear for Apple losing a patent lawsuit, this does illustrate once more why the system is broken.

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Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Tue 24th Sep 2013 23:59 UTC
Drumhellar
Member since:
2005-07-12

I forgot Facetime was a thing.

I remember when it came out, and Apple promised to make it an open protocol.

Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to keep Skyping...

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by PLan on Wed 25th Sep 2013 00:12 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
PLan Member since:
2006-01-10

Aren't the cool kids moving to WebRTC?

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by dragos.pop on Wed 25th Sep 2013 06:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by leos on Wed 25th Sep 2013 04:52 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
leos Member since:
2005-09-21

I forgot Facetime was a thing.

I remember when it came out, and Apple promised to make it an open protocol.

Oh, well, I guess I'll just have to keep Skyping...


Because Skype is an open protocol?

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Drumhellar on Wed 25th Sep 2013 04:57 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
Drumhellar Member since:
2005-07-12

Because Skype is an open protocol?


No, because Skype is available for pretty much every platform. Facetime is not.

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by deathshadow on Wed 25th Sep 2013 07:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

Who apart from career lecturers, career educators and students ACTUALLY give a flying purple fish if it's open sores or not!?!

People who don't subscribe to the floss-tard bull (bascially anyone over the age of 24 who isn't wearing socks with sandals) REALLY don't care. They want something that actually works, is available on just about everything, and we don't care if it costs money either.

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Radio on Wed 25th Sep 2013 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
Radio Member since:
2009-06-20

"I smiled and introduced myself as I sat down beside her. She handed me her MacBook silently and the look on her face said it all. Fix my computer, geek, and hurry up about it. I’ve been mistaken for a technician enough times to recognise the expression.

‘I’ll need to be quick. I’ve got a lesson to teach in 5 minutes,’ I said. ‘You teach?’
‘That’s my job, I just happen to manage the network team as well.’

She reevaluated her categorisation of me. Rather than being some faceless, keyboard tapping, socially inept, sexually inexperienced network monkey, she now saw me as a colleague. To people like her, technicians are a necessary annoyance. She’d be quite happy to ignore them all, joke about them behind their backs and snigger at them to their faces, but she knows that when she can’t display her PowerPoint on the IWB she’ll need a technician, and so she maintains a facade of politeness around them, while inwardly dismissing them as too geeky to interact with.
"

http://coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/

Fuck off, asshole.

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RE[4]: Comment by Drumhellar
by darknexus on Wed 25th Sep 2013 12:12 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

Fuck off, asshole.

Typical intelligent response from an open source fandroid. Thanks for confirming everything the OP said.

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RE[5]: Comment by Drumhellar
by BushLin on Wed 25th Sep 2013 22:01 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by Drumhellar"
BushLin Member since:
2011-01-26

None of this makes any sense.

One person goes on a totally irrelevant, inaccurate and hate filled rant about OSS.

This is replied to with an anecdote from the IT offices, punctuated with an expletive which strangely was the only bit of the text which seems related to it's parent.

What does this confirm?

The only thing I can confirm is that:
• I'm confused
• People shouldn't be so emotional about their technology choices
• We should at least try to think about the audience before leaving a permanent mark on the net.

PS: I'm not perfect.

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by darknexus on Wed 25th Sep 2013 12:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
darknexus Member since:
2008-07-15

People who don't subscribe to the floss-tard bull (bascially anyone over the age of 24 who isn't wearing socks with sandals) REALLY don't care. They want something that actually works, is available on just about everything, and we don't care if it costs money either.

While I basically agree with you, in this one case your anger is misdirected. The OP mentioned Apple's promise to make FaceTime an "open" protocol. Not an open *source* protocol, an open protocol as in allowing FaceTime to be available on other platforms perhaps by licensing said protocol. He then mentioned Skype in the same post, and made a flawed comparison. Skype is not an open protocol, however Skype themselves make apps for all their supported platforms. The end result is the same, but is achieved in a different way. The OP made a flawed comparison, was called on it and then you jumped in with a knee-jerk response. Open and open source are not synonymous, no matter what some zealots would like you to believe.

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RE[3]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Neolander on Wed 25th Sep 2013 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Wait a minute, here we are talking about open protocols, which is a different issue from open source entirely.

To illustrate the difference : only geeks care about whether their TV set runs open-source software, but pretty much every sane person likes to be sure that when they buy a new TV, they will be able to plug video devices from any manufacturer into it, no matter what their relationship with the TV manufacturer is.

Open protocols may or may not help open-source software depending on their redistribution conditions : anything whose licence does not feature a "spec may be used freely for non-commercial use" clause is as good as a closed protocol as far as open-source software development is concerned.

Edited 2013-09-25 15:51 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by Drumhellar
by Lennie on Wed 25th Sep 2013 18:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by Drumhellar"
Lennie Member since:
2007-09-22

Skype/Microsoft also changed it's model in the same way Facetime did. It's a centralized model where all the traffic used to be handled P2P now all traffic flows through central servers.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if NSA is involved, because the company where the patent originated was some kind of security company that developed the 'patented technology' when it was a subcontractor for the NSA.

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RE: Comment by Drumhellar
by Soulbender on Wed 25th Sep 2013 05:00 UTC in reply to "Comment by Drumhellar"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

I forgot Facetime was a thing


Nothing to be ashamed of. No-one remembers Facetime.
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Oh well
by wocowboy on Wed 25th Sep 2013 08:29 UTC
wocowboy
Member since:
2006-06-01

Facetime is used by a lot of people. The rest don't remember it exists because it wasn't made available like they said it would be because of the patent lawsuit and its aftereffects. Protecting patents you own is fine and legitimate if you produce a product related to that patent. If the sole purpose of the company owning a patent is to sue companies that actually produce products, then the patents they own should be invalid. It's quite simple but will never happen. Either produce a product or give up the right to sue.

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cool kids?
by siraf72 on Wed 25th Sep 2013 09:50 UTC
siraf72
Member since:
2006-02-22

I've been using facetime regularly since the day it came out (kids, family, etc) both on my laptop and phone. I can't say i've noticed any degradation in quality at any point. Erm, that's not to say the quality is great or anything.

PS: I don't know if I belong to the cool kids or not..

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