Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 8th Jan 2006 10:55 UTC, submitted by carlosdf
Hardware, Embedded Systems The CES ends today, yet we have heard nothing from the Atom Chip corporation-- the company who's claims generated a lot of disbelief six months ago. They promised to show their exceptional technology at CES-- yet no news has surfaced. Is it now safe to call their claims outright lies and deceit? Update: More, including photos, here.
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by Kroc on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:09 UTC
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"Is it now safe to call their claims outright lies and deceit?"

It was safe to debunk it when they announced it. Only an idiot would believe such an all-round technological jump would occur. Plus a background check on the company shows they wouldn't have the abilities to create such technology.

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haha
by intel on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:17 UTC
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is this article a joke?

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a joke ?
by gregj on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:32 UTC
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http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page8.html

how about that ?

Have you guys been there at all ?

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RE: a joke ?
by Darkness on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:44 UTC in reply to "a joke ?"
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That link shows a very small image of the CES, with a logo of HP, I don't see atomchip on that image. Like this, even I can claim I was there.

However, this is more convincing:
http://www.cesweb.org/attendees/directory/rd_exhibitor_details.asp?...

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Quantum Leap
by Jamie on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:44 UTC
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I dont think you can either dismiss it out of hand nor accept it at face value.

It is a promising new field of technology and from what I know about optical quantum technology, it is certainly possible to build such devices. Whether you can mass produce such technology so as to make it commercially viable is another matter and I expect it will be at least several years before it is if at all.

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RE: Quantum Leap
by agentj on Sun 8th Jan 2006 12:08 UTC in reply to "Quantum Leap"
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I have 2 theories:
1) Hard drive+memory+processor companies paid him huge load of money no to produce his stuff.
2) This technology does not exist.
Otherwise we could see this at work. Why they are not showing it in public ?

BTW: I can also take Pentium IV CPU, put it in some package and call it Quantum CPU, and then file patent applications.

I think that they'll release it when Duke Nukem Forever is released ;)

Edited 2006-01-08 12:10

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RE: Quantum Leap
by daelstorm on Sun 8th Jan 2006 12:16 UTC in reply to "Quantum Leap"
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Yes, you can dismiss it out of hand.

It's pure crap. Just take a close look as some of those pictures, and you'll quickly realise they're not just pulling your leg, they're cutting it off.

1TB of "quantum-optical" ram? sure...

enough of the crappy pictures, where are the working prototypes, eh? ;)

No, this is crap, and everyone with a lick of sense caught that the first time around.

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RE[2]: Quantum Leap
by Jamie on Sun 8th Jan 2006 12:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Quantum Leap"
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1TB of "quantum-optical" ram? sure...

And why not?

It is not technically impossible to build that ( though there will be technical problems to overcome during manufacture of course). Whether they have a demonstratable prototype or not is a different matter.

However, I expect NRAM to outclass this as its based on nano tubes and electron spin so it should be considerably cheaper and easier to make whilst having similiar charecteristics and densities to quantum optical ram. Mulitple manufacturers are alredy building such NRAM devices so competition too should drive the price of NRAM right down.

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RE[3]: Quantum Leap
by daelstorm on Sun 8th Jan 2006 14:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Quantum Leap"
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Okay, it's not technically impossible that just I built a mini-blackhole out of a quasispace canopener and a pair of RCA plugs, either.. but it is damn near 0%.

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RE[4]: Quantum Leap
by rayiner on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:20 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Quantum Leap"
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That's pretty impressive, but can you make a Stargate out of a toaster?

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RE[5]: Quantum Leap
by CrimsonScythe on Sun 8th Jan 2006 18:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Quantum Leap"
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I did. Suffice to say, that pretty much ruined my whole breakfast. Never again.

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RE[6]: Quantum Leap
by Andrew Youll on Sun 8th Jan 2006 18:32 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Quantum Leap"
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Give me 20minutes, just gotta finish mine, then we can send toast, via wormhole

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RE[7]: Quantum Leap
by ThawkTH on Mon 9th Jan 2006 15:45 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: Quantum Leap"
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Andrew, are you indeed on another planet?! Cool!

<Nerd>
Stargates only connect to different planets, they can't really connect to each other on the same planet.

Unless of course Atom Chip are so truly advanced that their tech surpasses the ancients...Of course! They ARE the ancients. It's a big moneymaking scheme!
</Nerd>

Seriously though, this is a joke that gets funnier and funnier...Anyone still believe this?

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RE[4]: Quantum Leap
by dammage on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Quantum Leap"
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a question is: how do you actually want to hold the quants? Or better to ask the old physical question: how much does a gramm of light/energy/quants cost? Unpayable.

Or even better: 04-12-2004 scientists at Max-Plank-Institute managed to save energy states of quants on cesium atoms and read that information again.

Here a small picture of that RAM: http://img.pte.at//lowrespics/1102090144i3608.jpg

Before that saving and reading data via quants was impossible. And now those come with their chips and 1TB Ram.

Lol. Hoax Hoax Hoax.

I bet there will be stickers e.g.: my computer has 1TB Ram now from them - thanks to quants. Put it onto your old DRAM and you have 1TB then.

Sorry for not being able to provide english sources, just search for max planck, quants and memory or similar terms, you will surely come to it.

Edited 2006-01-08 19:27

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RE: here is a big image
by Darkness on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:57 UTC in reply to "here is a big image"
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that was last year, notice the big 2005 ;)

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RE[2]: here is a big image
by dammage on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:06 UTC in reply to "here is a big image"
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and i think they used some MSPaint ... just look at the logos.

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more images from a chinese website.
by joe.cai on Sun 8th Jan 2006 11:59 UTC
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This is rather interesting, they show an NTFS volume of 10TB (or am I wrong? the image is a quite a bit blurred). NTFS in WinXP can only support partitions up to 2TB in size last time I checked. ;)

http://detail.zol.com.cn/picture_index_30/index291502.shtml

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2005-06-29

To me it looks like 1,024GB which is... 1TB not 10TB... so its perfectly within NTFS's abilities

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false
by happycamper on Sun 8th Jan 2006 13:40 UTC
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If this were true. intel and amd would of already been trying to hire this guy by now. since amd and intel is not making any noise about this. it must be a
lie

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CES 2006
by salgau_catalin on Sun 8th Jan 2006 14:31 UTC
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I've just sent a question to CES 2006 asking if the booth really exists.
Has anyone been there? Can someone confirm that this isn't a hoax?

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RE: CES 2006
by ValiantSoul on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:22 UTC in reply to "CES 2006"
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2005-07-20

Being at CES does not stop it from being a hoax. His 'products' are the hoax. They have never been shown as working, the 'processor' looks like a digital camera lense, and when announced awhile back he gave screenshots of Windows showing his hardware specs - only Windows doesn't support enough memory/hd space on 1 hd to show that amount and after looking at it carefully you could tell it was photoshoped because the numbers weren't aligned properly.

Hoax - no dought about it

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All I can see is
by gl0bber on Sun 8th Jan 2006 15:46 UTC
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... a pretty good job of putting fancy labels on CF and SD cards, and sticking them on top of old circuit boards. Oh, and he kindly provided the innards of a cheap web cam / digital camera, lens and all, for his "Quantum II Processor," including, you guessed it, a nice label. If the resolution were higher, I might be able to guess which model digital camera he used for the prop.

Gullible investors will always exist. He's in my opinion not crazy at all - just, well, um, something else. You figure it out ;o)

Cheers

Edited 2006-01-08 15:47

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Going all the way
by mariux on Sun 8th Jan 2006 15:58 UTC
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This guy is really taking this hoax all the way it seems.

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Truly amazing
by thecwin on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:02 UTC
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They took a normal headphone jack and stuck a few lenses on it, and engineered it into a Quantum-optical piece of RAM!

http://atomchip.com/_wsn/page3.html

Wonder if they'll release a HOWTO?


;)

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Heh...
by dylansmrjones on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:10 UTC
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Considering the amount of fancy labels, I don't think he has any product.

But it's funny to watch it none-the-less ;)

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hahaha!
by Bit_Rapist on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:11 UTC
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I was just thinking about those guys when CES was still going. I was thinking "Wonder if those cooky guys with the quantum optics system showed up?"

Glad to hear I wasn't the only one wondering. haha

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video
by MamiyaOtaru on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:15 UTC
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Anyone who didn't see this the first time around, you have to see the video of their "solar memory" in action:
http://www.compu-technics.com/images/solar%20memory.WMV

It remains one of the funniest things around. There's no way anyone could possibly take them seriously. The only question left is whether they take themselves seriously. Is it a joke, or a truly bad hoax?

*edit* doh, the video was linked in the article Thom linked to.. oh well, there it is for those who don't RTFA ;)

Edited 2006-01-08 16:22

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RE: video
by dylansmrjones on Sun 8th Jan 2006 16:43 UTC in reply to "video"
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I really like the funky beginning - it sort of puts you in the right mood ;)

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RE: video
by makfu on Sun 8th Jan 2006 21:15 UTC in reply to "video"
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Anyone who didn't see this the first time around, you have to see the video of their "solar memory" in action:
http://www.compu-technics.com/images/solar%20memory.WMV

I hadn't seen that since last year. And it's still just as funny.

I wouldn't call this a hoax, as that would indicate intent. I think this guy is just plain nuts.

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Embarrassing for OSnews...
by Vai777 on Sun 8th Jan 2006 17:44 UTC
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It's honestly embarrassing for OSnews to even evoke that this story has possibly some truths behind it.

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RE: Embarrassing for OSnews...
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 8th Jan 2006 18:05 UTC in reply to "Embarrassing for OSnews..."
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It's honestly embarrassing for OSnews to even evoke that this story has possibly some truths behind it.

Heh, of course it's not. The whole net buzzed with this stuff six months ago, and OSNews too put this incredible story up. Hence, we must do our journalistic duties, and finish the story.

Other than that, Sundays are slow newsdays.

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If it was real...
by truckweb on Sun 8th Jan 2006 18:22 UTC
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We would have working DEMO, Video that show the technology at work.

All we see here are photos and props. Not even a simple working prototype.

VERY gullible invertors, giving money on something they can't even see.

And every other memory maker would run to have something similar to show... Guess what, they don't, because it does not exist.

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Quantum (TM) Logo
by geist on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:11 UTC
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I love how he uses the Quantum (TM) logo on the stickers. I'm pretty sure the company has nothing to do with him. I'm not sure why he'd toss that out there except to get sued.

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deja vu all over again
by Sphinx on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:12 UTC
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Saw a lot more of this during the boom, been a while.

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Compare it to the real deal
by Tyr. on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:13 UTC
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I'll just repost some info I mentioned when this story first came out : it's a link to actual scientists who work in this field, a university lab performing experiments into 'atomic chips', using quantum effects and light http://www.bgu.ac.il/atomchip/physics/newsfromlab.htm ; Introduction to the atom chip : http://www.bgu.ac.il/atomchip/physics/introduction.htm

Now compare how far the real life scientists have progressed to the outlandish claims of this company and see if you still believe they are for real. I sure don't.

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Favourite picture
by Tyr. on Sun 8th Jan 2006 19:27 UTC
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Still my favourite from their website : http://atomchip.com/db4/00366/atomchip.com/_uimages/256Mx61.jpg , or how you can make a simple audio-jack into a high tech 'quantum' connector if people are gullible enough.

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RE: Favourite picture
by dammage on Sun 8th Jan 2006 20:05 UTC in reply to "Favourite picture"
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loool ;) nice link!
That's single blamage ;)
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Apparently the Quantum CPU is x86
by fizzled on Sun 8th Jan 2006 20:21 UTC
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Apparently the quantum CPU uses x86 instruction set. I suppose it would have to be a 64 bit chip to support all of that quantum RAM. I wonder if the RAM is DDR or DDR2...

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2005-06-29

It's quantum RAM... so it needs its own chipset that supports it... wonder if it has an onboard memory controller... if it hasnt that would hamper performance abit...

Also whats the supposed FSB of this Quantum CPU?

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dammage Member since:
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I think that for 1TB they will need a far bigger channel between CPU and RAM than it is on pictures. The problem is that we already reached highest FSB on computers because light speed is c and can't become higher.

You won't be able to pump all the data the CPU might want to use with 24 (or whatever there are) pins. The data and word bus(ses?) are just too small to provide any proper data transfer.

We are somewhere at 200Mhz FSB and it won't be more because the distance between RAM and CPU is just too big. Not to say about requirement for a different computer architecture because of bigger addresses (64bit is enough for 1 TB). Theoretically you can address so much memory with 64bit, but guess why the ppl don't support more than IIRC 4 gigs ;)

If I'm wrong, im always ready to learn.

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Great ad video
by yfkar on Sun 8th Jan 2006 20:57 UTC
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The hand-operated scrolling banner in "solar memory.wmv" cracked me up totally. ;) D:D

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Whats so special about a Quantum CPU??
by oggy on Sun 8th Jan 2006 21:19 UTC
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I have a Computer with a Processor Quantum Effects Design... its actually a Cobalt Raq2 featuring a 250Mhz MIPS processor... unbelievably slow..

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he is laughing
by Reader on Sun 8th Jan 2006 22:38 UTC
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I am sure the guy is sitting right now in his office and laughing about how gullible some people are that they actually have a debate over the truthfulness of his multitrillion GHz processors. I kind of like this guy.

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Maybe someone should contact CES
by RocketJockey2112 on Mon 9th Jan 2006 03:57 UTC
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It's not hard to get an award from a tradeshow but, this could be a bit embarrassing for the "preeminent panel of independent industrial designers, independent engineers and members of the trade press" that judged this award.
http://www.cesweb.org/attendees/awards/innovations/rd_2005honorees....

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Fancy Labels
by Googlesaurus on Mon 9th Jan 2006 17:59 UTC
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What we are looking at in the linked photos is a bunch of nice labels on a bunch of parts glued together.

This guy would jump out of his skin at the thought of anyone taking a look under the hood, or attempting to operate one of his systems.

Sorry folks, this is nothing more than a PR stunt or possible attempt to sucker an investor.

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Priceless
by ITPro on Mon 9th Jan 2006 18:33 UTC
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Still haven't heard how they've solved the tachyon queueing problem ;-) ;-) ;-). If they don't, the processors will present their results out of order, to say nothing about the out of order problems with the reads and writes to the quantum memory chips. Slight compromise in usefulness there. ;-).

Wouldn't you like to be there for a questions and answers session with some people who really know their quantum theory?

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