Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 14th Feb 2007 19:06 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
BeOS & Derivatives "Yesterday was our big day at Google, and we can say with a good degree of confidence that the Haiku Tech Talk was quite successful. We had a very special guest for this event: former Be Inc. CEO Jean Louis Gassée, not only joined us at Google for our presentation, but also gave a few words of support and encouragement for our project. It was great to have JLG's presence, as well as that of the several ex-Be engineers who showed up for the talk. We were also glad to see JAVA for BeOS developer Andrew Bachman join us for this special event. Take a look at the pictures from the presentation."
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Great pictures of everyone together!
by ormandj on Wed 14th Feb 2007 19:27 UTC
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It was really refreshing to see everybody together, smiling. ;) Awesome to see JLG there too, interacting with the Haiku folks. Be made some poor market choices, but it really was a "good" company, in the best sense of that word. It's wonderful to see the people behind it still care!

Keep up the great work, Haiku team!

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Sounds good
by Cymro on Wed 14th Feb 2007 19:47 UTC
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Hopefully Google will now consider Haiku for their next summer of code...

Does anyone have audio/video/transcriptions of the event? I'd be interested to hear what Gassee and the other ex-Be folks had to say.

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RE: Sounds good
by wkornewald on Wed 14th Feb 2007 20:08 UTC in reply to "Sounds good"
wkornewald Member since:
2006-08-23

Does anyone have audio/video/transcriptions of the event? I'd be interested to hear what Gassee and the other ex-Be folks had to say.

A video of the Google Tech Talk will probably be online this weekend.
I'm eagerly waiting for it, too. ;)

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RE[2]: Sounds good
by koki on Wed 14th Feb 2007 20:15 UTC in reply to "RE: Sounds good"
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2005-10-17

Google will post the video on the web approximately 72 hours from the time of the presentation, so you can expect to see it before the weekend.

We will let everyone know when its there. :-)

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I wonder when...
by fithisux on Wed 14th Feb 2007 19:51 UTC
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2006-01-22

yTab will merge its changes to the original BeOS code to Haiku to create a new innovative platform? They can make money even in this way.

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RE: I wonder when...
by MindChild on Wed 14th Feb 2007 20:05 UTC in reply to "I wonder when..."
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2006-01-10

Uh... YellowTab is gone. Magnussoft now owns Zeta.

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RE: I wonder when...
by umccullough on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:48 UTC in reply to "I wonder when..."
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2006-01-26

The problem is - there's little that yT could have modified that would be applicable to Haiku at this point. Any modifications to the app_server or kernel would be fairly useless for Haiku as the app_server and kernel architecture are different-enough already.

The best thing that Zeta can bring to Haiku at this point is 1) drivers, 2) native software, 3) ported software, 4) users

update: added 4th item ;)

Edited 2007-02-14 21:50

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Instead of Gubuntu
by fretinator on Wed 14th Feb 2007 20:20 UTC
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[Google + Beos]

Googleos [rhymes with Cheerios]
Boogle

Or maybe Geos!

Oh...that's already taken, darn!

Edited 2007-02-14 20:21

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Luposian
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2005-07-27

WHOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOO!

Ok, maybe that's TWO words, but... :-)

Seeing JLG there really amazed me. BeOS was HIS baby and I'm curious to know what he thinks of this spry off-shoot.

I can't wait to see the video.

To everyone working on Haiku... YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB!!!

Axel was talking about the File cache! I wonder if he mentioned a certain annoying individual constantly bringing up a certain "issue"? :-D It's still there, guys! And I'm not gonna stop mentioning it till it's fixed. This ye know well, for I hath said it! :-)

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WTF!
by Tanner on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:11 UTC
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2005-07-06

What ISSUE? I've heard about this issue multiple times... WTF is it?? ;)

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RE: WTF!
by Nutela on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:21 UTC in reply to "WTF!"
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2006-02-09

That Haiku is based on Windows ;-)

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RE[2]: WTF!
by bornagainenguin on Thu 15th Feb 2007 02:02 UTC in reply to "RE: WTF!"
bornagainenguin Member since:
2005-08-07

WTF?

Can you prove this allegation?

--bornagainpenguin

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RE[3]: WTF!
by Yomama on Thu 15th Feb 2007 03:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WTF!"
Yomama Member since:
2005-07-21

They are not allegations. They are simply the facts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Louis_Gass%C3%A9e

Anyway, It's great to see him and ex-developers care about Haiku and I have to admit I'm looking up to Mr. Gassée for creating BEOS, but thats about it.

Haiku is on the right path but hopefully not the beos path.

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RE[4]: WTF!
by stestagg on Thu 15th Feb 2007 06:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: WTF!"
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2006-06-03

I love the way that you quote Wikipedia articles to support 'facts' about someone's life.

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RE[5]: WTF!
by Yomama on Thu 15th Feb 2007 08:22 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: WTF!"
Yomama Member since:
2005-07-21

If you have another source of Mr. Gassée success maybe you can point them out. As I said before he did indeed create a great OS but failed in anything else in my opinion. Instead of selling the company for three times as much of the companies net worth he sold it for almost 6 times less. This alone shows that he wasn't thinking about the company, people who made this great OS or the investors who put in the money.

I'm all in favour for Haiku and I'm really looking forward to try the first version, but BEOS as the Company is dead and from reading about it you also know why.

Edited 2007-02-15 08:24

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RE[6]: WTF!
by Nutela on Thu 15th Feb 2007 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: WTF!"
Nutela Member since:
2006-02-09

Why do you think that BeOS would have been the better Mac OS X?

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RE[4]: WTF!
by petterhj on Thu 15th Feb 2007 13:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: WTF!"
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2005-08-19

Haiku is on the right path but hopefully not the beos path.

Let's hope Haiku won't follow the Windows path either, even though Windows is the most successive OS when it comes to market share and revenue - which you seem to care about the most.

The most important thing is not to be biggest and earn the most - it's how you get there and the quality of your product that matters.

JLG (and his team) did a great thing for the computer world when creating BeOS. Now we'll soon have the best OS around back ;)

Edited 2007-02-15 13:36

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RE[4]: WTF!
by gtada on Thu 15th Feb 2007 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: WTF!"
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2005-10-12

Haiku is on the right path but hopefully not the beos path.

Hmmm. The issue I have with Haiku is vision. It's easy to point out JLG's failures, but Steve and Bill both have their share of failures too.

I'm afraid Haiku will quickly fall in line with Linux: copying features with little or no real innovation. I think Haiku needs a strong leader with a focused vision to take the helm and lead them after 1.0 (and I'm not necessarily talking about JLG). In particular, someone who has the balls to follow their vision through and not be afraid of failure.

Copying BeOS 5 is one thing, but innovating and moving into uncharted territory is another.

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RE[5]: WTF!
by Meanwhile on Thu 15th Feb 2007 19:02 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: WTF!"
Meanwhile Member since:
2005-09-03

For innovating and moving into uncharted territory, see Haiku's 'Glass Elevator'.

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RE[3]: WTF!
by mikesum32 on Thu 15th Feb 2007 04:27 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WTF!"
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2005-10-22

Haiku is not based on Windows. That was a joke.

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RE[4]: WTF!
by Nutela on Thu 15th Feb 2007 16:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: WTF!"
Nutela Member since:
2006-02-09

Thanks mikesum32 ;-) How's Brian doing? Has he married yet?

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RE[5]: WTF!
by mikesum32 on Thu 15th Feb 2007 20:19 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: WTF!"
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2005-10-22

Yeah Bryan is married. He even wrote about it in his blog, check the archives.

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:sob:
by agildehaus on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:27 UTC
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2005-06-29

Seeing JLG give an endorsement to my favorite little OSS-project-that-could brings a tear to my eye. Let's give him an honorary seat on Haiku's board when the project makes the big time, okay? The man is pure awesome.

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RE: :sob:
by Yomama on Wed 14th Feb 2007 22:24 UTC in reply to ":sob:"
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2005-07-21

I'm not sure why Jean Louis Gassée should have a honorary seat on Haiku's board.

1) Gassée introduced several Macintosh products on-stage in the late 80s including the Macintosh Portable. Released in 1989, it was received with excitement from most critics but with very poor sales to consumers.

2) When the idea of licensing the Mac OS for other companies use was brought up by various members of Apple, Jean-Louis refused to give in to the idea, maintaining that the Macintosh was more powerful than any other computer at the present, and had a superior architecture roadmap for down the road than any other computer. Gassée would have none of it, and so the idea of licensing the Mac OS was shelved. [Paving the way for Windows OS dominance.]

3)In 1990 Jean-Louis left Apple, forced out by Sculley and Apple board members dissatisfied with his performance in delivering new products.

4) Be was not successful in getting top-tier OEMs to bundle BeOS with their hardware - only Hitachi and AST
At the end of 1999, Be had a "focus shift," giving their desktop OS away for free.

5) Be laid off most of its employees in 2001, with its assets and the remaining engineers being bought by Palm, Inc. for $11 million that August. Gassée stayed on through that transition, but left in January 2002.

6) Gassée became chairman of PalmSource, Inc., where several former Be executives and engineers still worked, but as of February 2006, there are no major customers—including Palm, Inc. itself—who have committed to using the Cobalt release.

I didn't mention he refused the $200 Mill deal which Apple offered him for BE instead he sold it for 11 Mill.

So, I'm not sure what is so cool about Mr.Gassée.

Edited 2007-02-14 22:25

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RE[2]: :sob:
by Bruno on Wed 14th Feb 2007 22:55 UTC in reply to "RE: :sob:"
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2005-07-13

You forgot one little detail:

7 - Created Be Incorporated and, as a consequence, BeOS. If it was not for that, there would be no Haiku project right now.

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RE[2]: :sob:
by umccullough on Wed 14th Feb 2007 22:58 UTC in reply to "RE: :sob:"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

I'm not sure why Jean Louis Gassée should have a honorary seat on Haiku's board.

I only wish to point out that product vision doesn't always correlate to business sense. There are many innovative and awesome ideas out there that never make it in the corporate world - simply because there's no real money in it.

Maybe in the end, "BeOS" and kin were only destined to survive as a non-profit open-source OS ;)

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RE[2]: :sob:
by TQH ! on Thu 15th Feb 2007 09:03 UTC in reply to "RE: :sob:"
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2006-03-16

8) Has a lot of contacts that non of the Haiku-guys have on their own. (Although they seem to at least get some friends at Google).

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Haiku
by fretinator on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:45 UTC
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2005-07-06

'Tis not like Linux
Windows Vista it is not
Beos lives on

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yeah
by SK8T on Wed 14th Feb 2007 21:59 UTC
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2006-06-01

I love Haiku and I would like it very much to see it running on my machine one day. So please keep up great working!

I really like BeOS (and it remembers me on MacOS 9, however).

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The Little OS that could
by twenex on Wed 14th Feb 2007 22:10 UTC
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2006-04-21

Nice to see some more Haiku success.

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JLG is a cool guy
by judgen on Thu 15th Feb 2007 00:02 UTC
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2006-07-12

He truly is, just because you make some bad buissness decisions does NOT make you bad at technology. He has always been in the forefront of computing in everything he did, and thats a fact. Wonder what Steve Sakoman and Frank Bosman and the others think of haiku?

Edited 2007-02-15 00:07

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JLG
by darkwyrm on Thu 15th Feb 2007 02:48 UTC
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2006-03-15

Unless I remember wrong, JLG was invited more out of goodwill than anything -- his blessing would be a nice thing even if that's all it was. He doesn't have an honorary seat on Haiku's board (I know who the official board members are) unless something has happened that I don't know about (possible, but unlikely).

It should be interesting to see if anything comes from the publicity that Haiku has seen these last few days. ;)

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why so upset/obsessed with JLG
by Haicube on Thu 15th Feb 2007 06:36 UTC
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2005-08-06

Isn't the important thing here that people outside the community open up their eyes and see what's happening?

To me, ALL acknowledgement is good acknowledgement at the moment, be it JLG or Billy Gates or Joe Sixpack.

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RE: WTF
by Nicholas Blachford on Thu 15th Feb 2007 12:42 UTC
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2005-07-06

If you have another source of Mr. Gassée success maybe you can point them out.

Andy Hertzfeld's site ( http://www.folklore.org/ ) mentions him a bit, for the most part he was very successful at Apple. That Wikipedia page gives at best parts of the story it ignores most of it.

The decisions at Be were in large part driven by events outside their control to which they had no option but to react. In my view Be went down because they were forced out of the market by Microsoft, an allegation MS didn't even attempt to fight in court - they settled out of court for $27 million.

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video is out
by jeanmarc on Fri 16th Feb 2007 19:54 UTC
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