Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 16th Nov 2007 19:49 UTC, submitted by Michael Larabel
3D News, GL, DirectX "The leading question most of you are likely wondering is why there hasn't been anymore ATI GPU specifications released in over two months. Well, as we have shared in earlier articles, AMD has had limited staff devoted to sanitizing the documentation and getting it cleared by their legal department for release. However, that is about to change. AMD's John Bridgman has confirmed that they are in the process of hiring new people to do all of the planned documentation and support work that will help the open-source community. Within a couple weeks, these new AMD employees will begin this crusade."
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Wonderful
by Nephelim on Fri 16th Nov 2007 20:35 UTC
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I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia and will help hardware manufacturers to focus on free software. I'd like to have good graphics card support ... I still miss the days when my ATI Rage was the best card at framebuffer text mode :-) so it is time to catch the pass of time.

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RE: Wonderful
by kaiwai on Sat 17th Nov 2007 04:10 UTC in reply to "Wonderful"
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2005-07-06

I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia and will help hardware manufacturers to focus on free software. I'd like to have good graphics card support ... I still miss the days when my ATI Rage was the best card at framebuffer text mode :-) so it is time to catch the pass of time.


I'd love to see nVidia open too; and go a step further, dedicate a large number of programmers to writing a clean opensource driver which works with the opensource community.

The great thing; this will also improve things in the operating system world - imagine being able to go and upgrade your Mac's graphics card without needing to wait for a "Mac version" - if the specifications are open, someone also has the ability to hopefully write an EFI firmware so that its just a flash away.

All operating systems will benefit, both open and closed source; Microsoft will have all the specifications in their hands, all operating systems will be able to operate on a level playing field when it comes to hardware compatibility.

What I would love to see is this go beyond graphics cards, I want to see all hardware open; Realtek provides specifications for their hardware to those who ask - maybe its time for OEM's to step up and demand that hardware companies open up their specifications fully or lose their OEM contract. This will not only help operating system vendors but also help OEM vendors by virtue of the operating system vendors being able to properly support hardware and thus reduce the technical support calls.

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RE: Wonderful
by renox on Sat 17th Nov 2007 13:41 UTC in reply to "Wonderful"
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2005-07-06

>I bet this will put some pressure over nVidia

Only when they will have lost sales to AMD which means that first we need a superior free software driver for AMD boards and this will take some time..

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RE[2]: Wonderful
by lemur2 on Mon 19th Nov 2007 00:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Wonderful"
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2007-02-17

Only when they will have lost sales to AMD which means that first we need a superior free software driver for AMD boards and this will take some time.


Not that long. There is already the start of a 2D driver:
http://ppa.launchpad.net/tormodvolden/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xo...
(this basically works, but it is still pre-beta).
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjE4Ng

There is already a software implementation of 3D:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_3D
http://www.mesa3d.org/

There is a new Mesa device driver architecture called Gallium3D being worked on:
http://www.tungstengraphics.com/wiki/index.php/Gallium3D

There is some help coming in terms of support by the Linux kernel:
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=18928
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1385306974;fp;2;fpid;2

There is existing 3D open source drivers for earlier ATI chipsets:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=700&num=1
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver

... and now (with this announcement) ATI are working towards the rlease of 3D specifications for their newer chipsets.

Perhaps by mid-year next year it will all start to come together.

Edited 2007-11-19 00:54

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Kudos to AMD-ATI
by shaniadollinger on Fri 16th Nov 2007 20:38 UTC
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2007-07-04

I always knew AMD was a good company (from the Am386 days) and that it would manage ATI in a sane way related to the free software. This can only mean for them one thing: selling more cards.

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Vote with your wallet
by FooBarWidget on Fri 16th Nov 2007 20:45 UTC
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2005-11-11

My next card will probably be an ATI card.

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RE: Vote with your wallet
by asdx24 on Fri 16th Nov 2007 20:51 UTC in reply to "Vote with your wallet"
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2007-05-17

Same here :-)

Thanks AMD

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RE: Vote with your wallet
by aaronb on Fri 16th Nov 2007 21:05 UTC in reply to "Vote with your wallet"
aaronb Member since:
2005-07-06

Same here especially with their 55nm 38XX Gfx.

Edited 2007-11-16 21:10

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cool
by poundsmack on Fri 16th Nov 2007 21:19 UTC
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2005-07-13

i really like the AMD/ATI is doing here. now, no matter what operating system i go to, i have the chance for really good drivers all around. Now NetHack will look amazing everywhere!!!! but in all seriousness, nice work guys

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RE: cool
by Priest on Fri 16th Nov 2007 22:38 UTC in reply to "cool"
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2006-05-12

Have you tried Urban Terror 4? (http://www.urbanterror.net) it is an online FPS based on the Quake 3 source.

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RE[2]: cool
by Alleister on Sat 17th Nov 2007 00:50 UTC in reply to "RE: cool"
Alleister Member since:
2006-05-29

Well, Urban Terror is cool, but it is not exactly something to show of 3d on Linux, except if you want to show that Linux can compete graphic wise with Amiga.

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RE[3]: cool
by hobgoblin on Sat 17th Nov 2007 02:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: cool"
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2005-07-06

imo, gameplay trumps graphics any day ;)

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RE[2]: cool
by google_ninja on Sat 17th Nov 2007 16:28 UTC in reply to "RE: cool"
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2006-02-05

q3 was 8 years ago. games look like this now http://www.crysis-online.com/Media/Screenshots/Screenshots/Outdoor-...

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RE[3]: cool
by hobgoblin on Sat 17th Nov 2007 21:04 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: cool"
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2005-07-06

have you seen where people have taken the q1 engine since the days when it was made open source?

while its not crysis level (and imo that game is there to show of the hardware of the person playing it, more then being a good game. basically its the computer version of the nissan skyline and similar), its impressive how far they have taken it, and still being (mostly, i have seen some issues ever so often) compatible with the mods made when q1 was new.

hmm, q1 team fortress on a updated engine vs the resently released team fortress 2 from valve?

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RE[4]: cool
by Priest on Sat 17th Nov 2007 21:52 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: cool"
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2006-05-12

There is a Linux port for the Team Fortress mod? I am off to searching.

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RE[5]: cool
by hobgoblin on Sat 17th Nov 2007 23:26 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: cool"
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2005-07-06

if your referring to the original q1 mod, i would suspect so as at that time the stuff was created using a special language and compiler rather then c++ and similar.

so in theory any mod for q1 should work for any q1 engine variant as long as they stayed compatible to the mod format.

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RE[6]: cool
by RIchard James13 on Sun 18th Nov 2007 04:07 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: cool"
RIchard James13 Member since:
2007-10-26

if your referring to the original q1 mod, i would suspect so as at that time the stuff was created using a special language and compiler rather then c++ and similar.

Yes it exists I used to play it under Linux back when Quake ruled the day.

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RE[7]: cool
by hobgoblin on Sun 18th Nov 2007 08:59 UTC in reply to "RE[6]: cool"
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2005-07-06
RE[2]: cool
by vegai on Sun 18th Nov 2007 09:33 UTC in reply to "RE: cool"
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2005-12-25

IMHO, the most beautiful free FPS is True Combat which is built on Enemy Territory.

http://www.truecombatelite.net

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RE[2]: cool
by Arkansas_Rebel on Sun 18th Nov 2007 22:19 UTC in reply to "RE: cool"
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2007-11-03

?Urbanterror does it install ok in Linux????

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RE[3]: cool
by Priest on Tue 20th Nov 2007 18:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: cool"
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2006-05-12

"?Urbanterror does it install ok in Linux????"

Yes, the home page for it is here: http://www.urbanterror.net/

There is an installer script for Linux found here: http://forums.urbanterror.net/index.php/topic,8165.0.html

I used it on Ubuntu 7.10 and it worked fine.

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No 3D spec?
by Kebabbert on Tue 20th Nov 2007 10:02 UTC
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2007-07-27

Ive heard that ATI has only released the 2D specs. The 3D specs are secret, still.

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RE: No 3D spec?
by adamk on Wed 21st Nov 2007 13:05 UTC in reply to "No 3D spec?"
adamk Member since:
2005-07-08

At the moment, that is correct. But that's what they're working on changing.

Adam

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