There is a new edition of the FreeBSD Foundation newsletter. "The innovation of the past lives on in FreeBSD. From SMP and network scalability to innovations in security APIs and wireless networking, the technology of FreeBSD is making an impact on our world. What future piece of BSD technology will help foster a new public commodity like the Internet? I can't say, but the past shows us that investing in open source OS development and its commercial use pays large dividends. The two testimonials in this newsletter from Isilon and Network Appliance show this process at work."
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2007-02-26
Only because they mention the auction in the newsletter, I wanted to throw in a quick comment on Absolute FreeBSD: the book is fantastic and thorough. Mr. Lucas is able to keep ~700 pages of content interesting with a rather dry sense of humor.
Might be a good Christmas gift for your favorite BSD geek. 
I got mine early this year.
Member since:2006-03-20
I'm still waiting for Absolute NetBSD ... http://www.absolutenetbsd.com/
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RE[2]: Where does the money go?
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Sure it is: both organizations develop tech for free and everybody is free to take it. But that's not the problem.
In the case of FreeBSD you can take it, and you're not supposed to give back. Apple. If I was paid by a tech lobby, international organization or government, then I probably wouldn't care. But as long as this is my money, and as long as I like people more than corporate logos, I'm giving it to the people. And I want it shared.
I said I'll toss the coin, because I want to retain some optimism in this confusion that is IT. But I'll remember the words I saw written on the bottom of the screen:
Copy me, I want to travel.
RE[2]: Where does the money go?
Member since:2005-07-06
Listen, choice is what all Free Software is based on.
Let people develop for whatever they want
Let people use whatever they want
Let people just believe and work with what they will and leave them alone - how could people supporting BSD hurt anything or hurt anyone?
Jeeze...chill out
RE[4]: Where does the money go?
Member since:2006-10-08
Hi there again, Moulinneuf! =^_^=
"BSD is not Free Software , it can be closed. You cant close Free Software."
In fact, BSD is "very free" software because it allows others to "abuse" it. Often the BSDL is therefore called a "rape me license".
FreeBSD itself is free, so it cannot be closed. You're wrong in your assumption regarding FreeBSD itself.
But if you imply that it's possible and legally correct to create a derivate from FreeBSD, let's say, create a proprietary POS OS environment based upon FreeBSD and do commercial marketing, then it can be closed.
"There are no People in BSD."
You will fail to prove this.
"- No BSD built computers."
Can you explain what you mean?
"- No computers with BSD as default OS."
Sadly, this is correct, but this is a matter of the OEMs that usually choose the kind of OS that has the best marketing (some MICROS~1 product usually). OEM is about making money, not about providing alternative or "better" OSes.
"- No BSD service centers.
- No BSD Labs."
It seems that they are not needed. There's a very friendly and well educated community that can help you, and, of course, there's you for yourself to use your skills, your knowledge and your experiences for the benefit of BSD's developers and users.
"- No Financing of innovation from the Desktop projects that BSd use ( KDE , Gnome , etc ... )"
You can use BSD without any GUI, too. :-)
"- Decades of failed promises and of undelivered solutions and products."
Could you name some?
"- Hurting the Education system who provide a lot of BSD's funding , who are forced to buy other OS based computers."
Hmmm... as far as I've experienced, especially young users of FreeBSD develop into well educated, intelligend, creative and friendly people, instead of those who get nerved by "Windows" day after day and get bored, arrogant or stupid... hey, that's a joke! :-) But I still think this isn't what you meant, is it?
"As soon as I can get a BSD or GNU/Linux computer from any computer at Best buy ..."
Can you get a Sun/Solaris computer there? Or an IBM AS/400 with z/OS? Are these systems useless or even worthless therefore?
RE[6]: Where does the money go?
Member since:2006-10-08
Moulinneuf, your making assumptions with no facts or even indications.
"I want BSD built computer with BSD as default OS in sale at Best Buy and other's and I want BSD service center and BSD labs for more support and financial gain in order fo BSD to grow and you don't."
In fact, I'd love to see them, but this won't happen, simply because of the mainstream user base of BSD. Those who are using BSD on a regular basis don't go shopping at Best Buy. They won't even buy a pre-built PC with something pre-installed. They are the same kind of users who are working on AS/400s or in large scale data processing centers.
For the home users who want to experience the power of BSD, there are derivates that are intended to appeal to them, for example PC-BSD or DesktopBSD.
Feel free to prove me wrong, but that's my opinion (according to my individual experiences and knowledge).
But let's first find an easier goal: Let's have PCs with pre-installed Linux at Best Buy first, along with Linux software in shiny boxes on the shelves. Let's see how they sell before we try to spread a product to the masses that requires much more knowledge, will of education and passion, okay?
"There is nothing else to say , you like how things are a complete total failure."
I don't think it is a total failure. As I said to another one before: Be very careful in making allquantified statements, because they can be proven wrong with only one anti-example. :-)
Many BSD users and developers benefit from the ongoing evolution in BSD world - how could that be a failure? The BSDs provide highly stable and reliable UNIX OSes that can serve as desktop and server OSes, and as mixed forms, too.
Member since:2006-05-19
"As soon as I can get a BSD or GNU/Linux computer from any computer at Best buy ..."
You can buy computer with PC-BSD/FreeBSD from iXsystems in USA, preinstalled and preconfigured from Tigma in Estonia and from many many other companies out there...
Buy PC-BSD from all Fry's Electronics stores nationwide: http://www.pcbsd.org/content/view/41/1/
Let's stop FUD!
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"You can buy computer with PC-BSD/FreeBSD from iXsystems in USA, preinstalled and preconfigured from Tigma in Estonia and from many many other companies out there...
Buy PC-BSD from all Fry's Electronics stores nationwide:"
I think that's what Moulinneuf requested. So there are offers existing today. IÄd like to see how these products sell, but compared to the huge oh joy oh market share of PCs with preloaded MICROS~1 stuff it would hardly be recognizable, wouldn't it?
As I mentioned before - judging from my own experiences - people who are using BSD on a regular basis are "geeky" enough not to buy complete PCs off the shelf with something preinstalled. :-)
But I think for home users this PC-BSD offer may be a gread deal. Because when you have a FreeBSD OS preinstalled, just the OS, no X, no KDE, no applications, what do you have? :-) It would make no sense to sell such a system. Preconfigured PC-BSD systems (or DesktopBSD ones) are a much better solution.
Member since:2005-08-11
"Investing in BSD is a waste of time , money , ressource and equipment. The BSD are neither gratefull for the gift they receive nor are they changing there way in order to survive in the era to come , in order to be self sustained projects. "
Investing in reading your posts is "is a waste of time , money , ressource and equipment"
The BSD family is a rock solid, stable and secure alternative to Windows and Linux. I prefer it over Linux, would take it over Windows any day of the week, and OS X wouldn't be OS X without it.
"Investing in BSD is a waste of time , money , ressource and equipment. The BSD are neither gratefull for the gift they receive nor are they changing there way in order to survive in the era to come , in order to be self sustained projects. "
Uh, all the BSDs are moving forward, NetBSd 4.0 was just released, FreeBSD 7 is in late Beta, and OpenBSD is still one of the most secure, stable OSs in existence.
Linux wouldn't even have a proper SSH server if it wasn't for OpenSSH, which is directly produced by OpenBSD.
Member since:2007-12-20
So in summary, BSD is dead and no longer relevant? I think you're misinformed or are you referring to BSDi? Please see below. BSD is alive and well in the server market. Linux and BSD camps are allies, and each has its strengths and place in the OS marketplace. NB - the BSD license has less restrictions than the GPL. It's a waste of energy to argue over who's freer.
Invest in whatever OS works for you.
Netcraft survey of servers with the longest uptimes:
1 wwws.br-online.de FreeBSD Apache/1.3.26 (Unix)
2 www.root102.co.uk Windows Server 2003 unknown
3 home.iijnet.or.jp BSD/OS Apache IIJ Internet
4 fp002.crayfish.net Windows 2000 Microsoft-IIS/5.0
5 cgi01.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
6 www.whistle2.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
7 www.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
8 www.whistle1.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
9 mary.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
10 www.whistle3.indigo.ie FreeBSD Apache/1.3.29 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.16
11 www.africanamericanwestproject.com BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
12 www.dogtagsonline.com unknown Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
13 www.virtualmodelshop.com BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
14 www.empowerfin.com BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
15 www.ashcottelectrical.com BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
16 hccsnet.org BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
17 www.superjetco.com BSD/OS Apache/1.3.33 (Unix) PHP/4.3.10
18 tgpsubmit.persiankitty.com FreeBSD Apache/1.3.9 (Unix) PHP/3.0.11
19 www.macmic.net IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
20 www.sjsmdn.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
21 www.neuro-t.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
22 www.n-sysdes.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
23 oroshidanchi.or.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
24 www.nhk-p.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
25 www.hios.com IRIX unknown
26 www.bestcom.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
27 www.higashi-nipponbank.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
28 www.pacific.npb.or.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
29 www.senkojushi.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
30 www.twsg.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
31 spha.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
32 www.sbcjp.comIRIX Rapidsite/Apa
33 www.meteora.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
34 nbc-web.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
35 www.sakuraproduction.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
36 rematec.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
37 www.nbc-web.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
38 www.pittcc.edu Windows Server 2003 Netscape-Enterprise/4.1
39 www.origin.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
40 www.med.helsinki.fi Windows Server 2003 unknown
41 www.medhelp.nu Windows 2000 Microsoft-IIS/5.0
42 www.i-lec.co.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
43 www.Reisen-zu-traumhaften-Preisen.de Windows Server 2003 Microsoft-IIS/6.0
44 www.simc.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
45 www.flower.ac.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
46 www.shii.gr.jpIRIX Rapidsite/Apa
47 www.iwaki-koukoshiryoukan.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
48 www.ammonite-center.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
49 www.numazu-cci.or.jp IRIX Rapidsite/Apa
50 www.okinawa.iij.ad.jp BSD/OS Apache
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It's funny how people bicker between the various distributions out there - I mean, we'd all benefit if we could unite and stop the bickering. To me, choose whatever you want, anything is better than Microsoft Windows (but that's just me). For every person that picks an 'alternative OS' there's one less Windows user - which is especially great if it's a developer or someone who contributes in some other way.
The only area I wish the BSDs would improve upon is the fileserver area. Perhaps that has been fixed now with the introduction of ZFS into FBSD, but for a long time it was a hassle to set up a large fileserver with any of the BSDs out there (limited max partition size, no decent volume manager, etc).
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Well, iirc, there was a 2TB (or if it was 4, can't remember) filesystem limit when I tried the last time, but I may confuse things with either OpenBSD or NetBSD. This was ~2 years ago, so not very long ago.
My comment wasn't about hating Microsoft, it's about "I don't care what you use, but if you use an alternative OS, all the better for all of us".
Edited 2007-12-19 22:03
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2006-10-20
No people on BSD?
On June/2004 netcraft reported 5 MILLION freebsd hostnames and it was growing in a steady fashion.
This is only the internet (Freebsd is also used internaly). This is only freebsd (there are plenty of bsds and bsd based systems out there (more than linux..)). This are only the servers that netcraft can identify as freebsd (yes, many admins like me don't like to give away server specs).
You morons need to read and learn about what you're talking about.
Peace
